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    Thanks for posting this.  I think it is very true, and I agree that
    it is our responsibility to make them welcome.  We need a buddy or
    mentoring system for folks who are coming for the first, second, and
    third time.  They need training wheels and they need to feel like
    they are contributing.  Not an easy thing to get going, especially
    when folks are insecure about their own degree of power and
    influence, but it is the only way to prevent quite a few ills,
    notably burnout.<br>
    Stephanie Perrin<br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2015-10-06 17:53, Kieren McCarthy
      wrote:<br>
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      <div dir="ltr">There is a Facebook discussion currently going on,
        and to my mind, this comment pretty much summed up one key part
        of the problem with how ICANN currently operates.
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        <div>It was from someone called Kerry Brown:
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          <div><span
style="color:rgb(20,24,35);font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;font-size:12px;line-height:13.4px;background-color:rgb(246,247,248)">I
              attended the London ICANN where during the meeting I
              actually felt like something was accomplished at the ALAC
              summit. Within weeks I was totally disillusioned when I
              realized that the board was paying lip service to the
              results of the summit and that nothing would change. I
              wonder how many board members actually read the
              recommendations? I had previously attended a half dozen
              ICANN meetings basically as an observer. I was excited to
              attend as a participant. Now I am unsubscribed from all
              the ICANN mailing lists. I doubt I will ever go to another
              meeting.</span><br>
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        <div><span
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        <div><span
style="color:rgb(20,24,35);font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;font-size:12px;line-height:13.4px;background-color:rgb(246,247,248)">It's
            not just the Board that is guilty of failing to foster a
            real sense of community but clearly in this case it was. </span></div>
        <div><span
style="color:rgb(20,24,35);font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;font-size:12px;line-height:13.4px;background-color:rgb(246,247,248)"><br>
          </span></div>
        <div><span
style="color:rgb(20,24,35);font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;font-size:12px;line-height:13.4px;background-color:rgb(246,247,248)">As
            most of you know, I spent three years as ICANN's general
            manager of public participation and I saw a big part of my
            job as building sustainable systems that would bring in more
            people, and make it easy and worthwhile for them to
            participate. </span></div>
        <div><span
style="color:rgb(20,24,35);font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;font-size:12px;line-height:13.4px;background-color:rgb(246,247,248)"><br>
          </span></div>
        <div><span
style="color:rgb(20,24,35);font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;font-size:12px;line-height:13.4px;background-color:rgb(246,247,248)">It
            was extremely difficult and I spent more than half my time
            dealing with efforts by those inside ICANN to undermine any
            effective changes, largely because it meant a reduction in
            their personal influence. </span></div>
        <div><span
style="color:rgb(20,24,35);font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;font-size:12px;line-height:13.4px;background-color:rgb(246,247,248)"><br>
          </span></div>
        <div><span
style="color:rgb(20,24,35);font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;font-size:12px;line-height:13.4px;background-color:rgb(246,247,248)">One
            fact that I continually used back then as a way to try to
            shake people into thinking reasonably came from a series of
            surveys, interviews, questionnaires and data analyses of
            people actually attending ICANN meetings.</span></div>
        <div><span
style="color:rgb(20,24,35);font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;font-size:12px;line-height:13.4px;background-color:rgb(246,247,248)"><br>
          </span></div>
        <div><span
style="color:rgb(20,24,35);font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;font-size:12px;line-height:13.4px;background-color:rgb(246,247,248)">I
            wanted to know: who are these people? Is this their first
            time? And if so how do we get them to stay engaged and come
            back?</span></div>
        <div><span
style="color:rgb(20,24,35);font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;font-size:12px;line-height:13.4px;background-color:rgb(246,247,248)"><br>
          </span></div>
        <div><span
style="color:rgb(20,24,35);font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;font-size:12px;line-height:13.4px;background-color:rgb(246,247,248)">The
            results were very clear: one third of ICANN attendees were
            regulars, coming to nearly every meeting; one third were
            occasional attendees, often because they were obliged to go
            to one ICANN meeting every year or two years, sometimes
            because they were intrigued and wanted to see what one was
            like.</span></div>
        <div><span
style="color:rgb(20,24,35);font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;font-size:12px;line-height:13.4px;background-color:rgb(246,247,248)"><br>
          </span></div>
        <div><span
style="color:rgb(20,24,35);font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;font-size:12px;line-height:13.4px;background-color:rgb(246,247,248)">And
            one third - every single meeting - was people who were
            attending for the first time. And at the next meeting, one
            third were attending for the first time. And the next. And
            the next. The percentage never got smaller. So I started
            trying to track down these people that arrived and then
            disappeared never to be heard from again.</span></div>
        <div><span
style="color:rgb(20,24,35);font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;font-size:12px;line-height:13.4px;background-color:rgb(246,247,248)"><br>
          </span></div>
        <div><span
style="color:rgb(20,24,35);font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;font-size:12px;line-height:13.4px;background-color:rgb(246,247,248)">Of
            that one third, roughly a half came from the country ICANN
            was in. They came because it was relatively local. Of them,
            almost none ever returned - either physically and online.
            They simply took a look, didn't like what they saw and never
            came back. </span></div>
        <div><span
style="color:rgb(20,24,35);font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;font-size:12px;line-height:13.4px;background-color:rgb(246,247,248)"><br>
          </span></div>
        <div><span
style="color:rgb(20,24,35);font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;font-size:12px;line-height:13.4px;background-color:rgb(246,247,248)">The
            other half of first-time attendees came from all over the
            world and went to a lot of trouble to get to the meeting. Of
            them, around four-fifths never came back. I tracked people
            down and asked them why.</span></div>
        <div><span
style="color:rgb(20,24,35);font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;font-size:12px;line-height:13.4px;background-color:rgb(246,247,248)"><br>
          </span></div>
        <div><span
style="color:rgb(20,24,35);font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;font-size:12px;line-height:13.4px;background-color:rgb(246,247,248)">They
            were mostly vague but in the whole, it was the sense that
            they were not made welcome. That the sessions were long and
            boring. That no one gave their opinions any weight. That
            everything was controlled by those ICANNites who attended
            every meeting. And that no one ever sought to engage them;
            they were irrelevant to the people that mattered.</span></div>
        <div><span
style="color:rgb(20,24,35);font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;font-size:12px;line-height:13.4px;background-color:rgb(246,247,248)"><br>
          </span></div>
        <div><span
style="color:rgb(20,24,35);font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;font-size:12px;line-height:13.4px;background-color:rgb(246,247,248)">When
            I relayed this information (which I did repeatedly) to those
            in the position to actually do something about it, not once
            did anyone say "oh no, that's terrible, what can we do to
            fix it?". </span></div>
        <div><span
style="color:rgb(20,24,35);font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;font-size:12px;line-height:13.4px;background-color:rgb(246,247,248)"><br>
          </span></div>
        <div><span
style="color:rgb(20,24,35);font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;font-size:12px;line-height:13.4px;background-color:rgb(246,247,248)">Instead,
            the responses varied from: "well, they're clearly not cut
            out to join ICANN if they give up so easily", to "but we
            have lots of opportunities for them to engage" to "I don't
            recognize that at all; I see lots of new people engaging".</span></div>
        <div><span
style="color:rgb(20,24,35);font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;font-size:12px;line-height:13.4px;background-color:rgb(246,247,248)"><br>
          </span></div>
        <div><span
style="color:rgb(20,24,35);font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;font-size:12px;line-height:13.4px;background-color:rgb(246,247,248)">In
            other words, an absolute refusal to accept it as a problem
            that needed to be addressed. </span></div>
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style="color:rgb(20,24,35);font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;font-size:12px;line-height:13.4px;background-color:rgb(246,247,248)"><br>
          </span></div>
        <div><font color="#141823" face="helvetica, arial, sans-serif"><span
style="font-size:12px;line-height:13.4px;background-color:rgb(246,247,248)">I
              think it is extremely rich to complain that ICANN is not
              sufficiently broad or representative enough. All of you on
              this list are responsible for that lack of engagement. And
              if you were serious about actually involving and engaging
              more people, it would take but one day to come up with a
              long list of things that could be done to improve the
              current situation.</span></font></div>
        <div><font color="#141823" face="helvetica, arial, sans-serif"><span
style="font-size:12px;line-height:13.4px;background-color:rgb(246,247,248)"><br>
            </span></font></div>
        <div><font color="#141823" face="helvetica, arial, sans-serif"><span
style="font-size:12px;line-height:13.4px;background-color:rgb(246,247,248)">Until
              that happens; until you get serious about empowering
              non-insiders; until real money and real resources are
              applied to that effort; then I don't think any of you get
              to talk about what real representation means.</span></font></div>
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        <div><span
style="color:rgb(20,24,35);font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;font-size:12px;line-height:13.4px;background-color:rgb(246,247,248)">Kieren</span></div>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Oct 3, 2015 at 12:31 AM, Bruce
          Tonkin <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:Bruce.Tonkin@melbourneit.com.au"
              target="_blank">Bruce.Tonkin@melbourneit.com.au</a>&gt;</span>
          wrote:<br>
          <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
            .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hello All,<br>
            <br>
            The following is NOT a Board view.<br>
            <br>
            My personal thoughts on sole member is that I prefer a
            broader membership structure to a sole membership structure.<br>
            <br>
            For me - a sole member concentrates all the responsibilities
            of membership into a single legal entity.   I much prefer
            more distributed membership structures that are more likely
            to represent the broader Internet community.<br>
            <br>
            I am not aware of any similar Internet based body that
            operates under this model.   I have been on the Board of
            several non-profit organizations over the past 20 years in a
            range of areas from sport to research to business, and I
            have never personally had any experience in this model.    I
            have also done several company director courses and I have
            never had this model come up in presentations or
            discussions.<br>
            <br>
            The sole member model also doesn't seem to particularly fit
            the current SOs and ACs that often have different interests
            and areas of focus   For example SSAC and RRSAC have quite
            narrow mandates to look at particular technical issues. 
             They do not generally get involved in ICANN strategic
            plans, operating plans, budgets, and naming policies.<br>
            <br>
            I think it is far better that SOs and ACs participate in the
            ICANN model as themselves.   I think we can empower each of
            these groups in our bylaws in appropriate ways.<br>
            <br>
            If the CCWG really wants to go down the single member model,
            then I would prefer a much more formal structure.<br>
            <br>
            - make the single member an incorporated entity<br>
            <br>
            - set the articles of incorporation up to ensure  that the
            single member has a fiduciary responsibility to the Internet
            community as a whole.   I.e. align its fiduciary
            responsibility to ICANN's fiduciary responsibility<br>
            <br>
            - have a board of the single member with the same structure
            as ICANN - with SOs and ALAC appointing directors, set up a
            nominating committee (or use the one we have) to select 8
            directors, and have liaisons from GAC, SSAC, RSSAC and IETF.<br>
            <br>
            - include in its bylaws its mission (to be a member of
            ICANN), and processes it will use to reach decisions and
            consult with the community<br>
            <br>
            <br>
            If this is sounding like what we already have - then that is
            not surprising.<br>
            <br>
            I feel that it is certainly legally possible to create a
            sole member - but it is practically highly unusual, and also
            seems completely unnecessary in that we already have a Board
            that does much the same thing.   The Board listens to all
            parts of the community before making major decisions, and
            acts for the benefit of the  Internet community as a whole.<br>
            <br>
            <br>
            So vmy preference order is:<br>
            <br>
            - leverage the governance model we have and refine to have
            additional powers for the SOs and ACs in the bylaws, have a
            binding IRP mechanism if any SO or AC feels that  board is
            not following the bylaws, and set up a mechanism to ensure
            that IRP decision is legally enforceable.   This is broadly
            the current Board proposal.<br>
            <br>
            - move to a full membership model with appropriate
            diversification and participation of members that include
            infrastructure operators and users, with appropriate culture
            and geographical diversity<br>
            <br>
            - use a sole member model  - with a fully incorporated
            member and clear fiduciary responsibilities.   Set up the
            board of the sole member with an equivalent level of
            governance as we have with the Board of ICANN.<br>
            <br>
            Regards,<br>
            Bruce Tonkin<br>
            <br>
            <br>
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