<p dir="ltr">Hello Jeff,</p>
<p dir="ltr">The current claim is that board could unilaterally create and impose policy, that aspect of unilaterally creating policies is one of the issues I believe is being handled in this process and also at the GNSO level. </p>
<p dir="ltr">I don't understand why the word impose(or force) will be inappropriate in a scenario where the community develops policy and then ICANN board ratifies for staff implemention. From my experience in policy development within the numbers community, any ratified policy (unless otherwise stated) is practically imposed on non-legacy resource holders. Not every resource holder likes the implemented policy. </p>
<p dir="ltr">That's just normal and it will be violation of board's fiduciary duty to approve a policy that is determined to affect the security and stability of DNS/Internet</p>
<p dir="ltr">That said, you are right that board should respond (as applicable) and my response is solely personal.</p>
<p dir="ltr">Regards</p>
<p dir="ltr">Sent from my Asus Zenfone2<br>
Kindly excuse brevity and typos.</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On 7 Oct 2015 16:30, "Jeff Neuman" <<a href="mailto:jeff.neuman@valideus.com">jeff.neuman@valideus.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><a name="15042ecdb5be9d7e__MailEndCompose"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Seun,<u></u><u></u></span></a></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">With all due respect, you have stated a conclusion without anything to support your conclusion that there is a difference. I could argue that with respect to forcing registries and registrars to adopt new policies could actually have more of an impact on security and stability of the Internet than having the Community given a right to remove a Board of Director or final authority over the budget.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">I believe that the Board should respond to my comment on how they can be representative for one purpose, but not for the purpose of being accountable. Right now it looks like their argument is a little too self-serving. But I am happy to hear why they disagree.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">But I have not seen a response yet from them.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#0f9347">Jeffrey J. 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The way the president responds to change in states constitution vis the national constitution would sure differ.<u></u><u></u></p><p>Regards<u></u><u></u></p><p>Sent from my Asus Zenfone2<br>Kindly excuse brevity and typos.<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">On 6 Oct 2015 22:50, "Avri Doria" <<a href="mailto:avri@acm.org" target="_blank">avri@acm.org</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><br><br>On 06-Oct-15 17:41, Jeff Neuman wrote:<br>> P.S. For any future Consensus Policy, the Board has opened up a new<br>> area of argument if a contracted party does not want to follow<br>> it…..namely that the Consensus Policy was not developed through a<br>> sufficiently representative policy process.<br><br>Indeed. and I can just imagine how this will play in IRP decisions.<br><br>avri<br><br><br>---<br>This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.<br><a href="https://www.avast.com/antivirus" target="_blank">https://www.avast.com/antivirus</a><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>Accountability-Cross-Community mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org" target="_blank">Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org</a><br><a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/accountability-cross-community" target="_blank">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/accountability-cross-community</a><u></u><u></u></p></blockquote></div></div></div></blockquote></div>