Hi all,<div><br></div><div>A comment or two re Paul's note below;<br><br>On Friday, 9 October 2015, Paul Szyndler <<a href="mailto:paul.szyndler@auda.org.au">paul.szyndler@auda.org.au</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Eberhard,<br>
<br>
I have long appreciated your vehement and unflinching commitment to the<br>
independence and autonomy of ccTLDs.<br>
However, as cc managers, we constantly face the challenge of balancing this<br>
independence against the need for engagement with the broader stakeholder<br>
community.<br>
<br>
I believe that the CCWG is one process we need to engage in.<br>
As cc managers, are we happy for "the rest" of the community to arrive at a<br>
solution for the future stewardship of ICANN (which includes a place for the<br>
ccNSO) without contributing to that process?<br>
<br>
In whatever membership model the community may arrive at, we ultimately get<br>
down to the unsavoury detail of votes and voting mechanisms.<br>
Are you happy with a 5 of 29 voting structure?</blockquote><div><br></div><div>Other models under discussion would see a consensus model rather than votes.</div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Are you supportive of a model that has the potential to "veto" a ccPDP?</blockquote><div><br></div><div>This one is mystifying, since nobody has at any point suggested any possibility of this.</div><div><br></div><div>What is your novel interpretation of the ccwg's proposal that leads you to this curious conclusion? If you are going to assert the conclusion, I think it would be helpful to share the basis for it - mainly so that we can fix it so such a problem does not occur.</div><div> <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Irrespective of whether you answer "yes", "no" or "I don’t care", I believe<br>
that these issues are of sufficient significance to warrant our collective<br>
attention.<br>
<br>
At no point have I seen anything in the Stewardship or Accountability<br>
processes that threatens the existing internal roles or responsibilities of<br>
ccTLD managers.<br>
However, I believe we need to be engaged in the broader ecosystem because<br>
these potential changes will have an effect on how each of us can influence<br>
our environment in the future.</blockquote><div><br></div><div>Agree.</div><div><br></div><div>Jordan <span></span></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<br>
Perhaps I could turn your question back to you.<br>
I note that you have devoted considerable time, effort and intellectual<br>
capacity to the CCWG.<br>
Assuming that the CCWG report doesn’t affect ccTLDs directly, what is it<br>
about this process that has warranted your dedicated engagement?<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
<br>
Paul<br>
<br>
<br>
-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Dr Eberhard W Lisse [mailto:<a href="javascript:;" onclick="_e(event, 'cvml', 'el@lisse.na')">el@lisse.na</a>]<br>
Sent: Friday, 9 October 2015 3:20 PM<br>
To: Paul Szyndler <<a href="javascript:;" onclick="_e(event, 'cvml', 'paul.szyndler@auda.org.au')">paul.szyndler@auda.org.au</a>><br>
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<directors@omadhina.NET><br>
Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Update from Brussels<br>
<br>
Paul,<br>
<br>
what is in the CCWG report that affects ccTLDs, directly?<br>
<br>
el<br>
<br>
--<br>
Sent from Dr Lisse's iPad mini<br>
<br>
> On 9 Oct 2015, at 03:08, Paul Szyndler <<a href="javascript:;" onclick="_e(event, 'cvml', 'paul.szyndler@auda.org.au')">paul.szyndler@auda.org.au</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> Thank you for this Mathieu,<br>
><br>
> Although this is an appropriately short and high-level document, it<br>
> still conveys a very strong message.<br>
> Not only is the work of the CWG and CCWG supported, but the process<br>
> that was undertaken is justified and endorsed at some length.<br>
><br>
> It is interesting that this consensus has been reached as, in my<br>
> observation, few ccTLD colleagues (with notable exceptions including<br>
> yourself, Roelof, Jordan etc) have been very actively involved in the<br>
> ongoing work.<br>
> I can only imagine that the views of many Governments are also only in<br>
> their nascent stage. This is certainly the case with mine.<br>
><br>
> So it is important that we fully understand the CENTR / HLIG position<br>
> because it will carry considerable weight in the cc and GAC<br>
> communities, where many may not have followed the work closely nor<br>
> taken a definitive position.<br>
> Is this core group of European stakeholders unconditionally endorsing<br>
> the CWG, CCWG and their expected outputs?<br>
> Or rather, is the position an endorsement of what has been done so far<br>
> (and how it has been done), with a more open-ended position on what<br>
> may happen over the coming months?<br>
><br>
> Regards,<br>
><br>
> Paul<br>
><br>
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> Subject: [CCWG-ACCT] Update from Brussels<br>
><br>
> Dear colleagues,<br>
><br>
> Along with some European members and participants of our group, I am<br>
> attending the CENTR meeting in Brussels. This morning was a joint<br>
> session with the European High Level Internet Governance group (made<br>
> of european GAC representives), and it discussed the IANA Stewardship<br>
> transition.<br>
><br>
> The outcome of this meeting is summarized in the statement that is now<br>
> online :<br>
> <a href="https://t.co/EuolALNkgV" target="_blank">https://t.co/EuolALNkgV</a><br>
><br>
> You can also find my update regarding our work on our wiki (feel free<br>
> to<br>
> re-use) :<br>
> <a href="https://community.icann.org/display/acctcrosscomm/CENTR+Accountability" target="_blank">https://community.icann.org/display/acctcrosscomm/CENTR+Accountability</a><br>
> +Upd<br>
> ate<br>
><br>
><br>
> As part of the discussion, I have noted a suggestion by Roelof that we<br>
> prepare a short, understandable paper to summarize the state of play,<br>
> and what remains to be done.<br>
><br>
> Best,<br>
><br>
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</blockquote></div><br><br>-- <br>Jordan Carter<br>Chief Executive, InternetNZ<p>+64-21-442-649 | <a href="mailto:jordan@internetnz.net.nz">jordan@internetnz.net.nz</a><p>Sent on the run, apologies for brevity<br></p></p>