<p dir="ltr">Sent from my Asus Zenfone2<br>
Kindly excuse brevity and typos.<br>
On 11 Oct 2015 15:10, "Avri Doria" <<a href="mailto:avri@acm.org">avri@acm.org</a>> wrote:<br>
>.<br>
> The co-chairs read the signs, tell us where they think we are and we<br>
> (or maybe the members) let them know if they got it right.<br>
><br>
SO:</p>
<p dir="ltr">Your statement above is consistent with what I have in mind when I pose the question; It's important to hear what the Co-Chairs are observing so we can be clear on what we already have consensus on, what is pending and their suggested approach on how to arrive at a workable solution that is roughly acceptable. </p>
<p dir="ltr">We have written so much, occasional observation(interpretation) of what has been discussed from Co-Chairs is important. We are heading into Dublin and I think it's important to have a clear idea of items we expect to completely resolve during the face2face.</p>
<p dir="ltr">> Or at least that is how I thought it worked.<br>
></p>
<p dir="ltr">SO:<br>
I believe we are in agreement of how it works. I have the privilege of chairing within other organisations as well so I believe I have an idea of the role of Co-Chairs. </p>
<p dir="ltr">Regards<br></p>
<p dir="ltr">> avri<br>
><br>
> On 11-Oct-15 00:47, Seun Ojedeji wrote:<br>
> ><br>
> > Hello Avri,<br>
> ><br>
> > Thanks for your response, I will not really attempt to address your<br>
> > view so this does not distract from the essence of starting this thread.<br>
> ><br>
> > I think we have quite a number of differing individual opinion and it<br>
> > gets so high at times that we miss the directions from the Co-Chairs.<br>
> ><br>
> > I will really appreciate that the Co-Chairs specifically provide<br>
> > response to this question so we have an idea of what page we are<br>
> > officially at in this process.<br>
> ><br>
> > Regards<br>
> > PS: Co-Chairs may also just put a stamp on what Avri has said if<br>
> > that's their understanding as well.<br>
> > Sent from my Asus Zenfone2<br>
> > Kindly excuse brevity and typos.<br>
> ><br>
> > On 10 Oct 2015 20:32, "Avri Doria" <<a href="mailto:avri@acm.org">avri@acm.org</a><br>
> > <mailto:<a href="mailto:avri@acm.org">avri@acm.org</a>>> wrote:<br>
> ><br>
> > Hi,<br>
> ><br>
> > (I know this was addressed to the co-chairs and i am not one, yet I<br>
> > presume to have an opinion on the subject)<br>
> ><br>
> > As far as I understood we are, in parallel:<br>
> ><br>
> > a. analyzing and trying to respond to the comments, including<br>
> > those by<br>
> > the Board, made about defects in explanation and design in the SM<br>
> > model<br>
> > of Draft 2<br>
> > b. analyzing the MEM counter proposal made by the Board<br>
> ><br>
> > I disagree with your claim that working on the SM model is<br>
> > impractical.<br>
> > It is still the model that responds to the largest number of community<br>
> > concerns and best meets the CWG requirements.<br>
> ><br>
> > The suggestion by Steve D. is just that, a suggestion. I do not<br>
> > believe<br>
> > that there is a consensus in the group, at least not yet, about taking<br>
> > that path. Many, myself among them, have argued that we are not<br>
> > comfortable with putting off the major accountability changes that are<br>
> > required by the loss of NTIA. Yes, we need to prune and make sure that<br>
> > the changes we work on are necessary for WS1, but given the<br>
> > uncertainties about the post transition and any possible WS2, we must<br>
> > make sure that the WS1 solution is sufficient.<br>
> ><br>
> > avri<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > On 10-Oct-15 14:53, Seun Ojedeji wrote:<br>
> > ><br>
> > > Dear Co-Chairs,<br>
> > ><br>
> > > FWIW, I think at this point, it will be good to have an<br>
> > understanding<br>
> > > of where we are heading from the Co-Chairs. In some discussions it<br>
> > > seem we have understood and agreed that a model that implies a<br>
> > > structural change is impractical during this transition phase hence<br>
> > > the suggestion made by Steve.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > Yet in other discussions it seem we are going ahead with the<br>
> > > structural change model irrespective of the concerns raised from<br>
> > parts<br>
> > > of the community and board.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > In other to prepare towards Dublin and contribute in a<br>
> > meaningful way,<br>
> > > I think a summary of where we are presently and what is expected<br>
> > to be<br>
> > > achieved in Dublin will be helpful. I apologise if this has already<br>
> > > been shared, and in that case a pointer will be appreciated.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > Regards<br>
> > ><br>
> > > Sent from my Asus Zenfone2<br>
> > > Kindly excuse brevity and typos.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > On 10 Oct 2015 19:37, "Stephen Deerhake" <<a href="mailto:sdeerhake@nic.as">sdeerhake@nic.as</a><br>
> > <mailto:<a href="mailto:sdeerhake@nic.as">sdeerhake@nic.as</a>><br>
> > > <mailto:<a href="mailto:sdeerhake@nic.as">sdeerhake@nic.as</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:sdeerhake@nic.as">sdeerhake@nic.as</a>>>> wrote:<br>
> > ><br>
> > > Paul,<br>
> > ><br>
> > > Perhaps the Board chair is articulating a minority viewpoint?<br>
> > > Afterall, the<br>
> > > Board will have to vote on the matter of sending/not sending the<br>
> > > output of<br>
> > > the CCWG on to NTIA.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > Stephen Deerhake<br>
> > ><br>
> > > -----Original Message-----<br>
> > > From: <a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org">accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a><br>
> > <mailto:<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org">accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a>><br>
> > > <mailto:<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org">accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a><br>
> > <mailto:<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org">accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a>>><br>
> > > [mailto:<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org">accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a><br>
> > <mailto:<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org">accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a>><br>
> > > <mailto:<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org">accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a><br>
> > <mailto:<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org">accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a>>>] On<br>
> > > Behalf Of Paul<br>
> > > Rosenzweig<br>
> > > Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2015 6:05 AM<br>
> > > To: 'Bruce Tonkin' <<a href="mailto:Bruce.Tonkin@melbourneit.com.au">Bruce.Tonkin@melbourneit.com.au</a><br>
> > <mailto:<a href="mailto:Bruce.Tonkin@melbourneit.com.au">Bruce.Tonkin@melbourneit.com.au</a>><br>
> > > <mailto:<a href="mailto:Bruce.Tonkin@melbourneit.com.au">Bruce.Tonkin@melbourneit.com.au</a><br>
> > <mailto:<a href="mailto:Bruce.Tonkin@melbourneit.com.au">Bruce.Tonkin@melbourneit.com.au</a>>>>; 'Accountability Cross<br>
> > > Community' <<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a><br>
> > <mailto:<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a>><br>
> > > <mailto:<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a><br>
> > <mailto:<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a>>>><br>
> > > Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Blog post on the Accountability work<br>
> > > headed to<br>
> > > Dublin<br>
> > ><br>
> > > With respect Bruce, I share Anne's view that this is not<br>
> > > accurate. The<br>
> > > Board chair has stated unequivocally that the Board will not<br>
> > submit a<br>
> > > Membership based proposal. That is contrary to the<br>
> > statement that<br>
> > > the Board<br>
> > > will submit any proposal it receives from the CCWG "as is."<br>
> > That is<br>
> > > categorically ruling out one type of "as is" proposal.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > If you are seriously telling me that even after all this<br>
> > back and<br>
> > > forth the<br>
> > > Board actually would submit a "Membership only" based<br>
> > proposal to<br>
> > > the NTIA<br>
> > > then I would respectfully say that the Board has done a very<br>
> > poor<br>
> > > job of<br>
> > > communicating.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > So ... answer this question please as directly as you are<br>
> > > willing: If,<br>
> > > today, the CCWG having considered but declined to accept the<br>
> > > Board's input<br>
> > > were to submit a proposal based upon a Membership organization<br>
> > > would the<br>
> > > Board transmit it to the NTIA as the ICANN proposal?<br>
> > ><br>
> > > Paul<br>
> > ><br>
> > > Paul Rosenzweig<br>
> > > <a href="mailto:paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com">paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com</a><br>
> > <mailto:<a href="mailto:paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com">paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com</a>><br>
> > > <mailto:<a href="mailto:paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com">paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com</a><br>
> > <mailto:<a href="mailto:paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com">paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com</a>>><br>
> > > O: +1 (202) 547-0660 <tel:%2B1%20%28202%29%20547-0660><br>
> > <tel:%2B1%20%28202%29%20547-0660><br>
> > > M: +1 (202) 329-9650 <tel:%2B1%20%28202%29%20329-9650><br>
> > <tel:%2B1%20%28202%29%20329-9650><br>
> > > VOIP: +1 (202) 738-1739 <tel:%2B1%20%28202%29%20738-1739><br>
> > > Skype: paul.rosenzweig1066<br>
> > > Link to my PGP Key<br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > > -----Original Message-----<br>
> > > From: Bruce Tonkin [mailto:<a href="mailto:Bruce.Tonkin@melbourneit.com.au">Bruce.Tonkin@melbourneit.com.au</a><br>
> > <mailto:<a href="mailto:Bruce.Tonkin@melbourneit.com.au">Bruce.Tonkin@melbourneit.com.au</a>><br>
> > > <mailto:<a href="mailto:Bruce.Tonkin@melbourneit.com.au">Bruce.Tonkin@melbourneit.com.au</a><br>
> > <mailto:<a href="mailto:Bruce.Tonkin@melbourneit.com.au">Bruce.Tonkin@melbourneit.com.au</a>>>]<br>
> > > Sent: Friday, October 9, 2015 10:03 PM<br>
> > > To: 'Accountability Cross Community'<br>
> > > <<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a><br>
> > <mailto:<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a>><br>
> > > <mailto:<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a><br>
> > <mailto:<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a>>>><br>
> > > Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Blog post on the Accountability work<br>
> > > headed to<br>
> > > Dublin<br>
> > ><br>
> > > Hello Paul,<br>
> > ><br>
> > > Regarding:<br>
> > ><br>
> > > <a href="https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-3-2015-02-12-en">https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-3-2015-02-12-en</a><br>
> > ><br>
> > > The statement still holds.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > The Board has provided input on a draft document so far, and has<br>
> > > stated all<br>
> > > along that it would raise any concerns along the way and not<br>
> > wait<br>
> > > for a<br>
> > > final proposal to raise any concerns.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > Regards,<br>
> > > Bruce Tonkin<br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
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