<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">I look forward to the Co-Chairs&#39; summary.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">I feel the need to reject the following statement by Seun as baseless and inaccurate:</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex" class="gmail_quote"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px"> In some discussions it seem we have understood and agreed that a model that implies a structural change is impractical during this transition phase hence the suggestion made by Steve<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;display:inline">​ [DelBianco]​</div>.</span></blockquote><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><div class="gmail_default"><span style="font-size:12.8px"><font face="verdana, sans-serif">I understand that some (including Seun) feel this way.  But there is no basis for saying &quot;we have ... agreed&quot; with this statement.  Of course, I may be reading the statement incorrectly; I am assuming that &quot;we&quot; refers to the CCWG (or the the CCWG Members, of which I am not one, but who in any event should be guided by their stakeholder organizations).  If &quot;we&quot; refers to some other group (such as those who agree with the statement) then maybe it is accurate.  Otherwise, no way.</font></span></div><div class="gmail_default"><span style="font-size:12.8px"><font face="verdana, sans-serif"><br></font></span></div><div class="gmail_default"><span style="font-size:12.8px"><font face="verdana, sans-serif">I find that the surest way <u>not</u> to come to an agreement is to pretend it has already been reached.  It tend to inflame, rather than convince, those who disagree or who are weighing their position.</font></span></div><div class="gmail_default"><span style="font-size:12.8px"><font face="verdana, sans-serif"><br></font></span></div><div class="gmail_default"><span style="font-size:12.8px"><font face="verdana, sans-serif">Finally, a general &quot;+1&quot; to Avri&#39;s statements in this thread.</font></span></div><div class="gmail_default"><span style="font-size:12.8px"><font face="verdana, sans-serif"><br></font></span></div><div class="gmail_default"><span style="font-size:12.8px"><font face="verdana, sans-serif">Greg</font></span></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Oct 11, 2015 at 4:30 PM, Mathieu Weill <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:mathieu.weill@afnic.fr" target="_blank">mathieu.weill@afnic.fr</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div>Dear Seun, all, </div><div><br></div><div>This request for a summary of where we stand is well understood, and perfectly appropriate at this point. Our plan is to provide such a quick summary before Dublin. </div><div><br></div><div>Until then, you can refer to :</div><div>- the summary we provided during last week ccwg call (available in recording or through the notes)</div><div>- the slides that I shared in my email &quot;update from Brussels&quot;, which I used to update the centr meeting.</div><div><br></div><div>Feedback regarding our summaries is and will be welcome of course. </div><div><br></div><div>Many thanks to those, especially Avri, who provided detailed inputs to that request as well. </div><div><br></div><div>Best, <span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br><br><div>Mathieu Weill</div><div>---------------</div><div>Depuis mon mobile, désolé pour le style</div></font></span></div><div><div class="h5"><div><br>Le 10 oct. 2015 à 20:54, Seun Ojedeji &lt;<a href="mailto:seun.ojedeji@gmail.com" target="_blank">seun.ojedeji@gmail.com</a>&gt; a écrit :<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><p dir="ltr">Dear Co-Chairs,</p>
<p dir="ltr">FWIW, I think at this point, it will be good to have an understanding of where we are heading from the Co-Chairs. In some discussions it seem we have understood and agreed that a model that implies a structural change is impractical during this transition phase hence the suggestion made by Steve.</p>
<p dir="ltr">Yet in other discussions it seem we are going ahead with the structural change model irrespective of the concerns raised from parts of the community and board.</p>
<p dir="ltr">In other to prepare towards Dublin and contribute in a meaningful way, I think a summary of where we are presently and what is expected to be achieved in Dublin will be helpful. I apologise if this has already been shared, and in that case a pointer will be appreciated.</p>
<p dir="ltr">Regards</p>
<p dir="ltr">Sent from my Asus Zenfone2<br>
Kindly excuse brevity and typos.</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On 10 Oct 2015 19:37, &quot;Stephen Deerhake&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:sdeerhake@nic.as" target="_blank">sdeerhake@nic.as</a>&gt; wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Paul,<br>
<br>
Perhaps the Board chair is articulating a minority viewpoint?  Afterall, the<br>
Board will have to vote on the matter of sending/not sending the output of<br>
the CCWG on to NTIA.<br>
<br>
Stephen Deerhake<br>
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[mailto:<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a>] On Behalf Of Paul<br>
Rosenzweig<br>
Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2015 6:05 AM<br>
To: &#39;Bruce Tonkin&#39; &lt;<a href="mailto:Bruce.Tonkin@melbourneit.com.au" target="_blank">Bruce.Tonkin@melbourneit.com.au</a>&gt;; &#39;Accountability Cross<br>
Community&#39; &lt;<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org" target="_blank">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a>&gt;<br>
Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Blog post on the Accountability work headed to<br>
Dublin<br>
<br>
With respect Bruce, I share Anne&#39;s view that this is not accurate.  The<br>
Board chair has stated unequivocally that the Board will not submit a<br>
Membership based proposal.  That is contrary to the statement that the Board<br>
will submit any proposal it receives from the CCWG &quot;as is.&quot;  That is<br>
categorically ruling out one type of &quot;as is&quot; proposal.<br>
<br>
If you are seriously telling me that even after all this back and forth the<br>
Board actually would submit a &quot;Membership only&quot; based proposal to the NTIA<br>
then I would respectfully say that the Board has done a very poor job of<br>
communicating.<br>
<br>
So ... answer this question please as directly as you are willing:  If,<br>
today, the CCWG having considered but declined to accept the Board&#39;s input<br>
were to submit a proposal based upon a Membership organization would the<br>
Board transmit it to the NTIA as the ICANN proposal?<br>
<br>
Paul<br>
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-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Bruce Tonkin [mailto:<a href="mailto:Bruce.Tonkin@melbourneit.com.au" target="_blank">Bruce.Tonkin@melbourneit.com.au</a>]<br>
Sent: Friday, October 9, 2015 10:03 PM<br>
To: &#39;Accountability Cross Community&#39;<br>
&lt;<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org" target="_blank">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a>&gt;<br>
Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Blog post on the Accountability work headed to<br>
Dublin<br>
<br>
Hello Paul,<br>
<br>
Regarding:<br>
<br>
  <a href="https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-3-2015-02-12-en" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-3-2015-02-12-en</a><br>
<br>
The statement still holds.<br>
<br>
The Board has provided input on a draft document so far, and has stated all<br>
along that it would raise any concerns along the way and not wait for a<br>
final proposal to raise any concerns.<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
Bruce Tonkin<br>
<br>
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