<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(0,0,0)">+1 Avri<br><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Oct 11, 2015 at 3:10 PM, Avri Doria <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:avri@acm.org" target="_blank">avri@acm.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">hi,<br>
<br>
I appreciate that my view has no currency with you.<br>
<br>
And while I, too, am always happy to hear how our chairs interpret the<br>
consensus or lack of consensus, which they believe we have reached, I<br>
would argue that it is the CCWG, or perhaps the CCWG members - we may be<br>
getting to that point (I am not a member), that determine where we are.<br>
The co-chairs read the signs, tell us where they think we are and we<br>
(or maybe the members) let them know if they got it right.<br>
<br>
Or at least that is how I thought it worked.<br>
<br>
avri<br>
<span class=""><br>
On 11-Oct-15 00:47, Seun Ojedeji wrote:<br>
><br>
> Hello Avri,<br>
><br>
> Thanks for your response, I will not really attempt to address your<br>
> view so this does not distract from the essence of starting this thread.<br>
><br>
> I think we have quite a number of differing individual opinion and it<br>
> gets so high at times that we miss the directions from the Co-Chairs.<br>
><br>
> I will really appreciate that the Co-Chairs specifically provide<br>
> response to this question so we have an idea of what page we are<br>
> officially at in this process.<br>
><br>
> Regards<br>
> PS: Co-Chairs may also just put a stamp on what Avri has said if<br>
> that's their understanding as well.<br>
> Sent from my Asus Zenfone2<br>
> Kindly excuse brevity and typos.<br>
><br>
> On 10 Oct 2015 20:32, "Avri Doria" <<a href="mailto:avri@acm.org">avri@acm.org</a><br>
</span><div><div class="h5">> <mailto:<a href="mailto:avri@acm.org">avri@acm.org</a>>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> Hi,<br>
><br>
> (I know this was addressed to the co-chairs and i am not one, yet I<br>
> presume to have an opinion on the subject)<br>
><br>
> As far as I understood we are, in parallel:<br>
><br>
> a. analyzing and trying to respond to the comments, including<br>
> those by<br>
> the Board, made about defects in explanation and design in the SM<br>
> model<br>
> of Draft 2<br>
> b. analyzing the MEM counter proposal made by the Board<br>
><br>
> I disagree with your claim that working on the SM model is<br>
> impractical.<br>
> It is still the model that responds to the largest number of community<br>
> concerns and best meets the CWG requirements.<br>
><br>
> The suggestion by Steve D. is just that, a suggestion. I do not<br>
> believe<br>
> that there is a consensus in the group, at least not yet, about taking<br>
> that path. Many, myself among them, have argued that we are not<br>
> comfortable with putting off the major accountability changes that are<br>
> required by the loss of NTIA. Yes, we need to prune and make sure that<br>
> the changes we work on are necessary for WS1, but given the<br>
> uncertainties about the post transition and any possible WS2, we must<br>
> make sure that the WS1 solution is sufficient.<br>
><br>
> avri<br>
><br>
><br>
> On 10-Oct-15 14:53, Seun Ojedeji wrote:<br>
> ><br>
> > Dear Co-Chairs,<br>
> ><br>
> > FWIW, I think at this point, it will be good to have an<br>
> understanding<br>
> > of where we are heading from the Co-Chairs. In some discussions it<br>
> > seem we have understood and agreed that a model that implies a<br>
> > structural change is impractical during this transition phase hence<br>
> > the suggestion made by Steve.<br>
> ><br>
> > Yet in other discussions it seem we are going ahead with the<br>
> > structural change model irrespective of the concerns raised from<br>
> parts<br>
> > of the community and board.<br>
> ><br>
> > In other to prepare towards Dublin and contribute in a<br>
> meaningful way,<br>
> > I think a summary of where we are presently and what is expected<br>
> to be<br>
> > achieved in Dublin will be helpful. I apologise if this has already<br>
> > been shared, and in that case a pointer will be appreciated.<br>
> ><br>
> > Regards<br>
> ><br>
> > Sent from my Asus Zenfone2<br>
> > Kindly excuse brevity and typos.<br>
> ><br>
> > On 10 Oct 2015 19:37, "Stephen Deerhake" <<a href="mailto:sdeerhake@nic.as">sdeerhake@nic.as</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:sdeerhake@nic.as">sdeerhake@nic.as</a>><br>
</div></div><span class="">> > <mailto:<a href="mailto:sdeerhake@nic.as">sdeerhake@nic.as</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:sdeerhake@nic.as">sdeerhake@nic.as</a>>>> wrote:<br>
> ><br>
> > Paul,<br>
> ><br>
> > Perhaps the Board chair is articulating a minority viewpoint?<br>
> > Afterall, the<br>
> > Board will have to vote on the matter of sending/not sending the<br>
> > output of<br>
> > the CCWG on to NTIA.<br>
> ><br>
> > Stephen Deerhake<br>
> ><br>
> > -----Original Message-----<br>
> > From: <a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org">accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org">accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a>><br>
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> <mailto:<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org">accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a>>>] On<br>
> > Behalf Of Paul<br>
> > Rosenzweig<br>
> > Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2015 6:05 AM<br>
> > To: 'Bruce Tonkin' <<a href="mailto:Bruce.Tonkin@melbourneit.com.au">Bruce.Tonkin@melbourneit.com.au</a><br>
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<div><div class="h5">> <mailto:<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a>>>><br>
> > Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Blog post on the Accountability work<br>
> > headed to<br>
> > Dublin<br>
> ><br>
> > With respect Bruce, I share Anne's view that this is not<br>
> > accurate. The<br>
> > Board chair has stated unequivocally that the Board will not<br>
> submit a<br>
> > Membership based proposal. That is contrary to the<br>
> statement that<br>
> > the Board<br>
> > will submit any proposal it receives from the CCWG "as is."<br>
> That is<br>
> > categorically ruling out one type of "as is" proposal.<br>
> ><br>
> > If you are seriously telling me that even after all this<br>
> back and<br>
> > forth the<br>
> > Board actually would submit a "Membership only" based<br>
> proposal to<br>
> > the NTIA<br>
> > then I would respectfully say that the Board has done a very<br>
> poor<br>
> > job of<br>
> > communicating.<br>
> ><br>
> > So ... answer this question please as directly as you are<br>
> > willing: If,<br>
> > today, the CCWG having considered but declined to accept the<br>
> > Board's input<br>
> > were to submit a proposal based upon a Membership organization<br>
> > would the<br>
> > Board transmit it to the NTIA as the ICANN proposal?<br>
> ><br>
> > Paul<br>
> ><br>
> > Paul Rosenzweig<br>
> > <a href="mailto:paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com">paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com</a><br>
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> > -----Original Message-----<br>
> > From: Bruce Tonkin [mailto:<a href="mailto:Bruce.Tonkin@melbourneit.com.au">Bruce.Tonkin@melbourneit.com.au</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:Bruce.Tonkin@melbourneit.com.au">Bruce.Tonkin@melbourneit.com.au</a>><br>
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> <mailto:<a href="mailto:Bruce.Tonkin@melbourneit.com.au">Bruce.Tonkin@melbourneit.com.au</a>>>]<br>
> > Sent: Friday, October 9, 2015 10:03 PM<br>
> > To: 'Accountability Cross Community'<br>
> > <<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a><br>
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> > Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Blog post on the Accountability work<br>
> > headed to<br>
> > Dublin<br>
> ><br>
> > Hello Paul,<br>
> ><br>
> > Regarding:<br>
> ><br>
> > <a href="https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-3-2015-02-12-en" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-3-2015-02-12-en</a><br>
> ><br>
> > The statement still holds.<br>
> ><br>
> > The Board has provided input on a draft document so far, and has<br>
> > stated all<br>
> > along that it would raise any concerns along the way and not<br>
> wait<br>
> > for a<br>
> > final proposal to raise any concerns.<br>
> ><br>
> > Regards,<br>
> > Bruce Tonkin<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
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