<p dir="ltr">Hello Avri,</p>
<p dir="ltr">Thanks for your response, I will not really attempt to address your view so this does not distract from the essence of starting this thread.</p>
<p dir="ltr">I think we have quite a number of differing individual opinion and it gets so high at times that we miss the directions from the Co-Chairs.</p>
<p dir="ltr">I will really appreciate that the Co-Chairs specifically provide response to this question so we have an idea of what page we are officially at in this process.</p>
<p dir="ltr">Regards<br>
PS: Co-Chairs may also just put a stamp on what Avri has said if that's their understanding as well.<br>
Sent from my Asus Zenfone2<br>
Kindly excuse brevity and typos.</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On 10 Oct 2015 20:32, "Avri Doria" <<a href="mailto:avri@acm.org">avri@acm.org</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi,<br>
<br>
(I know this was addressed to the co-chairs and i am not one, yet I<br>
presume to have an opinion on the subject)<br>
<br>
As far as I understood we are, in parallel:<br>
<br>
a. analyzing and trying to respond to the comments, including those by<br>
the Board, made about defects in explanation and design in the SM model<br>
of Draft 2<br>
b. analyzing the MEM counter proposal made by the Board<br>
<br>
I disagree with your claim that working on the SM model is impractical.<br>
It is still the model that responds to the largest number of community<br>
concerns and best meets the CWG requirements.<br>
<br>
The suggestion by Steve D. is just that, a suggestion. I do not believe<br>
that there is a consensus in the group, at least not yet, about taking<br>
that path. Many, myself among them, have argued that we are not<br>
comfortable with putting off the major accountability changes that are<br>
required by the loss of NTIA. Yes, we need to prune and make sure that<br>
the changes we work on are necessary for WS1, but given the<br>
uncertainties about the post transition and any possible WS2, we must<br>
make sure that the WS1 solution is sufficient.<br>
<br>
avri<br>
<br>
<br>
On 10-Oct-15 14:53, Seun Ojedeji wrote:<br>
><br>
> Dear Co-Chairs,<br>
><br>
> FWIW, I think at this point, it will be good to have an understanding<br>
> of where we are heading from the Co-Chairs. In some discussions it<br>
> seem we have understood and agreed that a model that implies a<br>
> structural change is impractical during this transition phase hence<br>
> the suggestion made by Steve.<br>
><br>
> Yet in other discussions it seem we are going ahead with the<br>
> structural change model irrespective of the concerns raised from parts<br>
> of the community and board.<br>
><br>
> In other to prepare towards Dublin and contribute in a meaningful way,<br>
> I think a summary of where we are presently and what is expected to be<br>
> achieved in Dublin will be helpful. I apologise if this has already<br>
> been shared, and in that case a pointer will be appreciated.<br>
><br>
> Regards<br>
><br>
> Sent from my Asus Zenfone2<br>
> Kindly excuse brevity and typos.<br>
><br>
> On 10 Oct 2015 19:37, "Stephen Deerhake" <<a href="mailto:sdeerhake@nic.as">sdeerhake@nic.as</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:sdeerhake@nic.as">sdeerhake@nic.as</a>>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> Paul,<br>
><br>
> Perhaps the Board chair is articulating a minority viewpoint?<br>
> Afterall, the<br>
> Board will have to vote on the matter of sending/not sending the<br>
> output of<br>
> the CCWG on to NTIA.<br>
><br>
> Stephen Deerhake<br>
><br>
> -----Original Message-----<br>
> From: <a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org">accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org">accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a>><br>
> [mailto:<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org">accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org">accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a>>] On<br>
> Behalf Of Paul<br>
> Rosenzweig<br>
> Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2015 6:05 AM<br>
> To: 'Bruce Tonkin' <<a href="mailto:Bruce.Tonkin@melbourneit.com.au">Bruce.Tonkin@melbourneit.com.au</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:Bruce.Tonkin@melbourneit.com.au">Bruce.Tonkin@melbourneit.com.au</a>>>; 'Accountability Cross<br>
> Community' <<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a>>><br>
> Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Blog post on the Accountability work<br>
> headed to<br>
> Dublin<br>
><br>
> With respect Bruce, I share Anne's view that this is not<br>
> accurate. The<br>
> Board chair has stated unequivocally that the Board will not submit a<br>
> Membership based proposal. That is contrary to the statement that<br>
> the Board<br>
> will submit any proposal it receives from the CCWG "as is." That is<br>
> categorically ruling out one type of "as is" proposal.<br>
><br>
> If you are seriously telling me that even after all this back and<br>
> forth the<br>
> Board actually would submit a "Membership only" based proposal to<br>
> the NTIA<br>
> then I would respectfully say that the Board has done a very poor<br>
> job of<br>
> communicating.<br>
><br>
> So ... answer this question please as directly as you are<br>
> willing: If,<br>
> today, the CCWG having considered but declined to accept the<br>
> Board's input<br>
> were to submit a proposal based upon a Membership organization<br>
> would the<br>
> Board transmit it to the NTIA as the ICANN proposal?<br>
><br>
> Paul<br>
><br>
> Paul Rosenzweig<br>
> <a href="mailto:paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com">paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com</a><br>
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><br>
><br>
> -----Original Message-----<br>
> From: Bruce Tonkin [mailto:<a href="mailto:Bruce.Tonkin@melbourneit.com.au">Bruce.Tonkin@melbourneit.com.au</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:Bruce.Tonkin@melbourneit.com.au">Bruce.Tonkin@melbourneit.com.au</a>>]<br>
> Sent: Friday, October 9, 2015 10:03 PM<br>
> To: 'Accountability Cross Community'<br>
> <<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a>>><br>
> Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Blog post on the Accountability work<br>
> headed to<br>
> Dublin<br>
><br>
> Hello Paul,<br>
><br>
> Regarding:<br>
><br>
> <a href="https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-3-2015-02-12-en" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-3-2015-02-12-en</a><br>
><br>
> The statement still holds.<br>
><br>
> The Board has provided input on a draft document so far, and has<br>
> stated all<br>
> along that it would raise any concerns along the way and not wait<br>
> for a<br>
> final proposal to raise any concerns.<br>
><br>
> Regards,<br>
> Bruce Tonkin<br>
><br>
><br>
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