<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Lurking behind all this (in my mind) is Larry Strickling apparently saying that he does not want to receive a proposal that does not have the support of the Board.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">That would make any proposal sent with a lack of support from the Board a non-starter. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">I could be misremembering, but I don't think I'm far off.</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 10:05 PM, avri doria <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:avri@ella.com" target="_blank">avri@ella.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div>Agreed.</div><div><br></div><div>The biggest threat to the model is showing icann to have been a broken implementation.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div style="font-size:75%">avri</div><div style="font-size:75%"><br></div><div style="font-size:75%">Sent from a T-Mobile 4G LTE Device</div><div><div class="h5"><br><br><div>-------- Original message --------</div><div>From: Phil Corwin <<a href="mailto:psc@vlaw-dc.com" target="_blank">psc@vlaw-dc.com</a>> </div><div>Date:10/12/2015 9:43 PM (GMT-05:00) </div><div>To: Paul Rosenzweig <<a href="mailto:paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com" target="_blank">paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com</a>>, 'Bruce Tonkin' <<a href="mailto:Bruce.Tonkin@melbourneit.com.au" target="_blank">Bruce.Tonkin@melbourneit.com.au</a>>, 'Accountability Cross Community' <<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org" target="_blank">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a>> </div><div>Cc: </div><div>Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Blog post on the Accountability work headed
to Dublin </div><div><br></div>+1<br><br>The original impetus of this whole transition effort was to save the MSM as embodied within ICANN in the wake of the Snowden revelations. <br><br>The MSM is weakened, not saved, by rejecting and rewriting its output.<br><br><br>Philip S. Corwin, Founding Principal<br>Virtualaw LLC<br>1155 F Street, NW<br>Suite 1050<br>Washington, DC 20004<br><a href="tel:202-559-8597" value="+12025598597" target="_blank">202-559-8597</a>/Direct<br><a href="tel:202-559-8750" value="+12025598750" target="_blank">202-559-8750</a>/Fax<br><a href="tel:202-255-6172" value="+12022556172" target="_blank">202-255-6172</a>/cell<br><br>Twitter: @VlawDC<br> <br>"Luck is the residue of design" -- Branch Rickey<br><br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: <a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a>] On Behalf Of Paul Rosenzweig<br>Sent: Monday, October 12, 2015 9:18 PM<br>To: 'Bruce Tonkin'; 'Accountability Cross Community'<br>Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Blog post on the Accountability work headed to Dublin<br><br>And that, it seems to me, Bruce, is at the nub of the problem. In theory, the Board has committed to transmitting whatever the CCWG submits, but in reserving the right to negate what has been submitted with its own comments (which would, in effect, kill any proposal) it takes away with the left hand what it gives with the right. It is, as EL says, now down to who blinks first, it seems.<br><br>More to the point however, whenever the Board says the first part ("we will submit whatever we get") without also saying the second part ("but we reserve the right to countermand that submittal with comments") it is misleading. Many in the community read the "we will submit" as an endorsement of the CCWG process without limitation. Leaving out the critical limitation makes statements incomplete and adversely effects communication and expectation. Thus, the Board's promise in Buenos Aires was read as more palliative than it actually is because of its reserved powers.<br><br>In addition, when someone (like Senator Thune) asks the question from a practical perspective ("will the board accept") then leaving out the caveat is an omission that affirmatively obscures the reality.<br><br>And then, there is the last sadder point: Which is that the Board's reservation of a right to comment even after it participates in the process and, hypothetically, has the community reject its concerns reflects a distrust of the MSM and a paternalistic attitude that suggests to me all sorts of inadequacies. If the Board's conclusion is true, then ICANN is not fit for the transition. If it is false, then the Board misreads the community badly. Either prospect is daunting<br><br>Paul<br><br>Paul Rosenzweig<br><a href="mailto:paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com" target="_blank">paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com</a><br>O: <a href="tel:%2B1%20%28202%29%20547-0660" value="+12025470660" target="_blank">+1 (202) 547-0660</a><br>M: <a href="tel:%2B1%20%28202%29%20329-9650" value="+12023299650" target="_blank">+1 (202) 329-9650</a><br>VOIP: <a href="tel:%2B1%20%28202%29%20738-1739" value="+12027381739" target="_blank">+1 (202) 738-1739</a><br>Skype: paul.rosenzweig1066<br>Link to my PGP Key<br><br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: Bruce Tonkin [mailto:<a href="mailto:Bruce.Tonkin@melbourneit.com.au" target="_blank">Bruce.Tonkin@melbourneit.com.au</a>] <br>Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2015 9:21 PM<br>To: Accountability Cross Community<br><<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org" target="_blank">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a>><br>Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Blog post on the Accountability work headed to<br>Dublin<br><br>Hello Mike,<br><br><br>>> Are you going to forward them promptly, or follow the Charter and the<br>Resolution of 10/16/14?<br><br>We will do both.<br><br>If there is any disagreement - we will include that in a note to the NTIA<br>along with the ICG and CCWG Proposals, and then initiate a dialogue with the<br>CCWG. We will advise the NTIA of the outcome of any such process. The<br>NTIA could either wait for the process to conclude, or it could be that the<br>NTIA decides that the area of disagreement is not material to the IANA<br>stewardship. I don't wish to speculate, that is for the NTIA to decide.<br>The aim clearly is to develop a proposal that has broad support, and avoids<br>the need for any follow on process.<br><br>Regards,<br>Bruce Tonkin <br><br>_______________________________________________<br>Accountability-Cross-Community mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org" target="_blank">Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org</a><br><a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/accountability-cross-community" target="_blank">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/accountability-cross-community</a><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>Accountability-Cross-Community mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org" target="_blank">Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org</a><br><a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/accountability-cross-community" target="_blank">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/accountability-cross-community</a><br><br>-----<br>No virus found in this message.<br>Checked by AVG - <a href="http://www.avg.com" target="_blank">www.avg.com</a><br>Version: 2015.0.6140 / Virus Database: 4435/10780 - Release Date: 10/08/15<br>_______________________________________________<br>Accountability-Cross-Community mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org" target="_blank">Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org</a><br><a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/accountability-cross-community" target="_blank">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/accountability-cross-community</a><br><br></div></div></div><br>_______________________________________________<br>
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