<div dir="ltr">The idea that the Board could rely on such duties to not accept a consensus community proposal of any of the varieties the CCWG has been developing defies belief.<div><br></div><div>Jordan</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 13 October 2015 at 13:42, Alan Greenberg <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca" target="_blank">alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">We talk a lot about "fiduciary duty" but seem to be determined to ignore it.<br>
<br>
The Board ultimately has to implement the new Bylaws that will effect the changes, whatever they are. Board members have a fiduciary duty to not do anything that they believe is against the best interests of ICANN (forgive the double negative). If they are forwarding a proposal that in their collective opinion they will not adopt, they have a moral obligation to say that ahead of time.<br>
<br>
Knowing that, I do wish there had been active Board participation a lot earlier, but we are where we are.<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
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Alan</font></span><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><br>
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At 12/10/2015 09:18 PM, Paul Rosenzweig wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
And that, it seems to me, Bruce, is at the nub of the problem. In theory,<br>
the Board has committed to transmitting whatever the CCWG submits, but in<br>
reserving the right to negate what has been submitted with its own comments<br>
(which would, in effect, kill any proposal) it takes away with the left hand<br>
what it gives with the right. It is, as EL says, now down to who blinks<br>
first, it seems.<br>
<br>
More to the point however, whenever the Board says the first part ("we will<br>
submit whatever we get") without also saying the second part ("but we<br>
reserve the right to countermand that submittal with comments") it is<br>
misleading. Many in the community read the "we will submit" as an<br>
endorsement of the CCWG process without limitation. Leaving out the<br>
critical limitation makes statements incomplete and adversely effects<br>
communication and expectation. Thus, the Board's promise in Buenos Aires<br>
was read as more palliative than it actually is because of its reserved<br>
powers.<br>
<br>
In addition, when someone (like Senator Thune) asks the question from a<br>
practical perspective ("will the board accept") then leaving out the caveat<br>
is an omission that affirmatively obscures the reality.<br>
<br>
And then, there is the last sadder point: Which is that the Board's<br>
reservation of a right to comment even after it participates in the process<br>
and, hypothetically, has the community reject its concerns reflects a<br>
distrust of the MSM and a paternalistic attitude that suggests to me all<br>
sorts of inadequacies. If the Board's conclusion is true, then ICANN is not<br>
fit for the transition. If it is false, then the Board misreads the<br>
community badly. Either prospect is daunting<br>
<br>
Paul<br>
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From: Bruce Tonkin [mailto:<a href="mailto:Bruce.Tonkin@melbourneit.com.au" target="_blank">Bruce.Tonkin@melbourneit.com.au</a>]<br>
Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2015 9:21 PM<br>
To: Accountability Cross Community<br>
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Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Blog post on the Accountability work headed to<br>
Dublin<br>
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Hello Mike,<br>
<br>
<br>
>> Are you going to forward them promptly, or follow the Charter and the<br>
Resolution of 10/16/14?<br>
<br>
We will do both.<br>
<br>
If there is any disagreement - we will include that in a note to the NTIA<br>
along with the ICG and CCWG Proposals, and then initiate a dialogue with the<br>
CCWG. We will advise the NTIA of the outcome of any such process. The<br>
NTIA could either wait for the process to conclude, or it could be that the<br>
NTIA decides that the area of disagreement is not material to the IANA<br>
stewardship. I don't wish to speculate, that is for the NTIA to decide.<br>
The aim clearly is to develop a proposal that has broad support, and avoids<br>
the need for any follow on process.<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
Bruce Tonkin<br>
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