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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>I think that is right Anne, based on what Bruce Tonkin has said. At this point the Board is just “participating” in the ongoing conversation. If, at the end of the day, it decides our suggested way forward (adopted by the chartering organizations based on the CCWG report) is NOT in the global public interest then, by a 2/3<sup>rd</sup> vote, it may demand a dialog.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>It remains to be seen how this interacts with the promise to forward the CCWG final proposal to NTIA unchanged.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>P<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Paul Rosenzweig<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><a href="mailto:paul.rosenzweigesq@redbranchconsulting.com"><span style='color:#0563C1'>paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com</span></a> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>O: +1 (202) 547-0660<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>M: +1 (202) 329-9650<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>VOIP: +1 (202) 738-1739<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Skype: paul.rosenzweig1066<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-align:justify'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><a href="http://www.redbranchconsulting.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=19&Itemid=9"><span style='color:#0563C1'>Link to my PGP Key</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Aikman-Scalese, Anne [mailto:AAikman@lrrlaw.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, October 13, 2015 1:40 PM<br><b>To:</b> 'Greg Shatan' <gregshatanipc@gmail.com>; avri doria <avri@ella.com><br><b>Cc:</b> Accountability Cross Community <accountability-cross-community@icann.org><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Blog post on the Accountability work headed to Dublin<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Greg – I thought Larry just said – “Get consensus and hurry up.” The Board has not actually followed the procedure specified in the Charter for notifying the CCWG that it believes the proposal is “not in the global public interest”. I suppose they may do so if the CCWG-Accountability does not accept their counter-proposal. I don’t know how they send a letter to NTIA disagreeing with the CCWG-ACCT recommendation without formally following the procedure below first. But maybe they already did? Did someone hear of a 2/3 majority Board vote that the CCWG Proposal is not in the global public interest? Is that where we are headed if the processing of public comment does not result in the structure the Board desires? (So much for the MSM.)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>So when out next report comes out, it is presumed the Board may say it has not yet followed the procedure below and would then, at that point in the future, take a vote requiring 2/3 majority and then notify the CCWG? <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Phil Corwin’s prior post repeated here:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>“</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Finally, on the matter of the “global public interest”, points #2 & 3 of the CCWG Charter states:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>2. If the Board believes it is not in the global public interest to implement a recommendation from the Cross Community Working Group on Enhancing ICANN Accountability and Governance (CCWG Recommendation), it must initiate a dialogue with the CCWG. A determination that it is not in the global public interest to implement a CCWG Recommendation requires a 2/3 majority of the Board.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>3. The Board must provide detailed rationale to accompany the initiation of dialogue. The Board shall agree with the CCWG the method (e.g., by teleconference, email or otherwise) by which the dialogue will occur. The discussions shall be held in good faith and in a timely and efficient manner, to find a mutually acceptable solution.”<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 style='border-collapse:collapse'><tr><td width=84 rowspan=7 valign=top style='width:.7in;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><img border=0 width=150 height=62 id="Picture_x0020_1" src="cid:image001.gif@01D105BE.3BC22780"></span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=444 valign=top style='width:3.7in;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>Anne E. 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class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D;display:none'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 style='border-collapse:collapse'><tr><td width=24 valign=top style='width:.2in;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt'></td><td width=31 valign=bottom style='width:18.8pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'> </span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p></td></tr></table><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'> <a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org">accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a> [<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org">mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Greg Shatan<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, October 12, 2015 7:30 PM<br><b>To:</b> avri doria<br><b>Cc:</b> Accountability Cross Community<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Blog post on the Accountability work headed to Dublin<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>Lurking behind all this (in my mind) is Larry Strickling apparently saying that he does not want to receive a proposal that does not have the support of the Board.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>That would make any proposal sent with a lack of support from the Board a non-starter. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>I could be misremembering, but I don't think I'm far off.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 10:05 PM, avri doria <<a href="mailto:avri@ella.com" target="_blank">avri@ella.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Agreed.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>The biggest threat to the model is showing icann to have been a broken implementation.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt'>avri<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt'>Sent from a T-Mobile 4G LTE Device<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>-------- Original message --------<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>From: Phil Corwin <<a href="mailto:psc@vlaw-dc.com" target="_blank">psc@vlaw-dc.com</a>> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Date:10/12/2015 9:43 PM (GMT-05:00) <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>To: Paul Rosenzweig <<a href="mailto:paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com" target="_blank">paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com</a>>, 'Bruce Tonkin' <<a href="mailto:Bruce.Tonkin@melbourneit.com.au" target="_blank">Bruce.Tonkin@melbourneit.com.au</a>>, 'Accountability Cross Community' <<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org" target="_blank">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a>> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Cc: <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Blog post on the Accountability work headed to Dublin <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>+1<br><br>The original impetus of this whole transition effort was to save the MSM as embodied within ICANN in the wake of the Snowden revelations. <br><br>The MSM is weakened, not saved, by rejecting and rewriting its output.<br><br><br>Philip S. Corwin, Founding Principal<br>Virtualaw LLC<br>1155 F Street, NW<br>Suite 1050<br>Washington, DC 20004<br><a href="tel:202-559-8597" target="_blank">202-559-8597</a>/Direct<br><a href="tel:202-559-8750" target="_blank">202-559-8750</a>/Fax<br><a href="tel:202-255-6172" target="_blank">202-255-6172</a>/cell<br><br>Twitter: @VlawDC<br> <br>"Luck is the residue of design" -- Branch Rickey<br><br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: <a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a>] On Behalf Of Paul Rosenzweig<br>Sent: Monday, October 12, 2015 9:18 PM<br>To: 'Bruce Tonkin'; 'Accountability Cross Community'<br>Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Blog post on the Accountability work headed to Dublin<br><br>And that, it seems to me, Bruce, is at the nub of the problem. In theory, the Board has committed to transmitting whatever the CCWG submits, but in reserving the right to negate what has been submitted with its own comments (which would, in effect, kill any proposal) it takes away with the left hand what it gives with the right. It is, as EL says, now down to who blinks first, it seems.<br><br>More to the point however, whenever the Board says the first part ("we will submit whatever we get") without also saying the second part ("but we reserve the right to countermand that submittal with comments") it is misleading. Many in the community read the "we will submit" as an endorsement of the CCWG process without limitation. Leaving out the critical limitation makes statements incomplete and adversely effects communication and expectation. Thus, the Board's promise in Buenos Aires was read as more palliative than it actually is because of its reserved powers.<br><br>In addition, when someone (like Senator Thune) asks the question from a practical perspective ("will the board accept") then leaving out the caveat is an omission that affirmatively obscures the reality.<br><br>And then, there is the last sadder point: Which is that the Board's reservation of a right to comment even after it participates in the process and, hypothetically, has the community reject its concerns reflects a distrust of the MSM and a paternalistic attitude that suggests to me all sorts of inadequacies. If the Board's conclusion is true, then ICANN is not fit for the transition. If it is false, then the Board misreads the community badly. Either prospect is daunting<br><br>Paul<br><br>Paul Rosenzweig<br><a href="mailto:paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com" target="_blank">paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com</a><br>O: <a href="tel:%2B1%20%28202%29%20547-0660" target="_blank">+1 (202) 547-0660</a><br>M: <a href="tel:%2B1%20%28202%29%20329-9650" target="_blank">+1 (202) 329-9650</a><br>VOIP: <a href="tel:%2B1%20%28202%29%20738-1739" target="_blank">+1 (202) 738-1739</a><br>Skype: paul.rosenzweig1066<br>Link to my PGP Key<br><br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: Bruce Tonkin [mailto:<a href="mailto:Bruce.Tonkin@melbourneit.com.au" target="_blank">Bruce.Tonkin@melbourneit.com.au</a>] <br>Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2015 9:21 PM<br>To: Accountability Cross Community<br><<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org" target="_blank">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a>><br>Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Blog post on the Accountability work headed to<br>Dublin<br><br>Hello Mike,<br><br><br>>> Are you going to forward them promptly, or follow the Charter and the<br>Resolution of 10/16/14?<br><br>We will do both.<br><br>If there is any disagreement - we will include that in a note to the NTIA<br>along with the ICG and CCWG Proposals, and then initiate a dialogue with the<br>CCWG. We will advise the NTIA of the outcome of any such process. The<br>NTIA could either wait for the process to conclude, or it could be that the<br>NTIA decides that the area of disagreement is not material to the IANA<br>stewardship. 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