<div dir="ltr">On Sat, Oct 17, 2015 at 2:25 PM, Jordan Carter <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jordan@internetnz.net.nz" target="_blank">jordan@internetnz.net.nz</a>></span> wrote:<br><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Thanks Desiree - copying to list for the record and to share your thoughts.<div>J</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 17 October 2015 at 12:19, Desiree Miloshevic <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:dmiloshevic@afilias.info" target="_blank">dmiloshevic@afilias.info</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word">Jordan <div><br></div><div>Myself, like Malcolm has said, have come out of our Enforcement model breakout session thinking that in the end there is not a huge advantage of the Sole Membership model</div><div>over the Single Designator Model.</div><div><br></div><div>However, we should explore other opportunities. For example we have not discussed enough the indirect Enforcement - the spill of the board</div><div>as that may end up being a faster and more efficient way than court proceedings, that would, in the end, keep deciding if something is</div><div>a fiduciary duty or not regardless of potentially reserved membership statutory powers and regardless of what the board suggests.</div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>So: Just for the record, I like to add my +1 to what Desiree has said above. As one of those who participated in the enforcement subgroup its one of my take away from that discussion. Its also the reason i asked why we decided to restrict ourselves to discussing SD and SM only. The Co-Chairs said they were going to respond to that later, I hope the response can be shared as soon as they can.<br><br></div><div>Regards <br></div><div><br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div><br></div><div>Desiree</div><div>--</div><div><br><div><div><div class="h5"><div><div><div>On 17 Oct 2015, at 12:00, Jordan Carter <<a href="mailto:jordan@internetnz.net.nz" target="_blank">jordan@internetnz.net.nz</a>> wrote:</div><br></div></div></div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div class="h5"><div><div><div dir="ltr">Here are my notes as outlined at the meeting, for the record:<div><br></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(26,26,26)" lang="EN-US">1. We focused on IRP, because PTI would
end up in an IRP.</span></p><div><span style="font-size:13pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(26,26,26)" lang="EN-US"> </span><br></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(26,26,26)" lang="EN-US">2. IRP enforcement process is the same
regardless of the model. If after arbitration award is granted, losing
party objects, prevailing party must go to court for enforcement of arbitration
award</span></p><div><span style="font-size:13pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(26,26,26)" lang="EN-US"> </span><br></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(26,26,26)" lang="EN-US">3. In both models there is a legal
person - the sole designator or member - that can be party to IRP if required.</span></p><div><span style="font-size:13pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(26,26,26)" lang="EN-US"> </span><br></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(26,26,26)" lang="EN-US">4. In either model, fiduciary duties are
important and have the effect of limiting the scope of what can be arbitrated
in an IRP setting.</span></p><div><span style="font-size:13pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(26,26,26)" lang="EN-US"> </span><br></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(26,26,26)" lang="EN-US">5. In the member model the board
is limited in asserting that its action was protected as a fiduciary business judgment
as to community powers reserved to the sole member. (That is, the scope of
issues properly subject to arbitration is therefore broader in member model.)</span></p><div><span style="font-size:13pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(26,26,26)" lang="EN-US"> </span><br></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(26,26,26)" lang="EN-US">6. Preferences were split among those
present between the two models.</span></p><div><span style="font-size:13pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(26,26,26)" lang="EN-US"> </span><br></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(26,26,26)" lang="EN-US">7. My personal preference on this
dimension angles slightly towards the member model, because it provides for
stronger enforceability of the community powers through the IRP or generally -
that is, as said, it does that by removing the possibility of ICANN arguing
that enforcement of those powers conflicts with fiduciary duties and so cannot
be arbitrated.</span><span lang="EN-GB"></span></p>
<div><br></div>-- <br><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr" style="font-size:small">Jordan Carter<br><br>Chief Executive <br><b>InternetNZ</b><br></div><div dir="ltr" style="font-size:small"><br><a href="tel:%2B64-4-495-2118" value="+6444952118" target="_blank">+64-4-495-2118</a> (office) | <a href="tel:%2B64-21-442-649" value="+6421442649" target="_blank">+64-21-442-649</a> (mob)<br>Email: <a href="mailto:jordan@internetnz.net.nz" style="color:rgb(17,85,204)" target="_blank">jordan@internetnz.net.nz</a> <br>Skype: jordancarter<br></div><div style="font-size:small">Web: <a href="http://www.internetnz.nz/" target="_blank">www.internetnz.nz</a> </div><div dir="ltr" style="font-size:small"><br><i>A better world through a better Internet </i></div><br></div></div></div></div></div></div>
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