<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0"><tr><td valign="top"><div>Apology not accepted by me, Greg, as your comments were very demeaning, and I would ask that you refrain from demeaning me as I try my best to live up to the standard you yourself have established at ICANN, as claimed. Your leadership has led ICANN to the amazing success it is today, and I look up to you for leadership and guidance.<br /><br />Ron</div></td></tr></table> <div id="_origMsg_">
<div>
<br />
<div>
<div style="font-size:0.9em">
<hr size="1">
<b>
<span style="font-weight:bold">From:</span>
</b>
Greg Shatan <gregshatanipc@gmail.com>; <br>
<b>
<span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span>
</b>
Drazek, Keith <kdrazek@verisign.com>; <br>
<b>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Cc:</span>
</b>
Ron Baione <ron.baione@yahoo.com>; accountability-cross-community@icann.org <accountability-cross-community@icann.org>; <br>
<b>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span>
</b>
Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Fw: [At-Large] (no subject) <br>
<b>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span>
</b>
Sat, Oct 24, 2015 3:32:18 PM <br>
</div>
<br>
<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0">
<tbody>
<tr>
<td valign="top">I generally don't engage in non-substantive byplay, but the combination of a flight delay and a sarcastic insult weakened my resolve.<div><br clear="none"></div><div>My apologies to the credible members of the list. I'll stop looking in my spam folder!</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Back to work.</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Greg<span></span><br clear="none"><br clear="none">On Saturday, October 24, 2015, Drazek, Keith <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:kdrazek@verisign.com" target="_blank" href="javascript:return">kdrazek@verisign.com</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"><div class="yqt8603061673" id="yqt97961"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
<div>
<div>I suggest we ALL try to limit personal back-and-forth email on this global list. We have enough real work to do without distractions. </div>
<div><br clear="none">
</div>
<div>Regards,</div>
<div>Keith<br clear="none">
<br clear="none">
</div>
<div><br clear="none">
On Oct 24, 2015, at 4:21 PM, Greg Shatan <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br clear="none">
<br clear="none">
</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div>Not quite sure what you are trying to say, but I would be glad to ask the list <span></span>to comment on the relative value of your contributions to my emails, meeting contributions, Working Party contributions and drafting contributions over the last
10+ months.
<div><br clear="none">
</div>
<div>As you say, it's all relative.
<div><br clear="none">
On Saturday, October 24, 2015, Ron Baione <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect">ron.baione@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br clear="none">
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0"><tbody><tr><td colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top">
<div>The email sought was not found in the archives. The point I was making is that there was no email alerting the community to a known IT problem, nor will there be. The quality of anyone's contributions is relative to the person reading them, as this is
an open and inclusive process, and lastly, the quality of your contributions have helped lead ICANN to the success it is today.<br clear="none">
<br clear="none">
Best,<br clear="none">
<br clear="none">
Ron</div>
</td></tr></tbody></table>
<div>
<div><br clear="none">
<div><br clear="none">
<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0"><tbody><tr><td colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top">This is a publicly archived email list. You have the same access to the prior emails as every other participant. I suggest you start reading from the beginning of the list and work your way forward until you have caught up with the group.
You should find the email you seek in the process.
<div><br clear="none">
</div>
<div>This will likely have the effect of improving <span></span>the quality of your contributions as well.<br clear="none">
<br clear="none">
On Friday, October 23, 2015, Ron Baione <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect">ron.baione@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br clear="none">
<div>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0"><tbody><tr><td colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top">
<div>The bounceback/spam IT Issue the email lists have been having was a known issue to the office of the ICANN IT director since Yahoo changed its spam filter to DMARC. The information in this email chain (below) was not provided to me when I signed up as
a participant to ccwg-accountability. The patch to fix the issue was available in August (read conversation below). If anyone can provide me an email from August 2015 or before, from the IT director or IT Staff, which instructs the members, participants and
observers of this or any mailing list that a patch or fix to the mailing list bounceback/spam issue would be tested and implemented, kindly forward that email to me.<br clear="none">
<br clear="none">
Ron</div>
</td></tr></tbody></table>
<div>
<div><br clear="none">
<div>
<div style="font-size:0.9em;">
<hr size="1">
<b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span> </b>David Closson <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect">david.closson@icann.org</a>>;
<br clear="none">
<b><span style="font-weight:bold;">To:</span> </b>Ron Baione <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect">ron.baione@yahoo.com</a>>;
<br clear="none">
<b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Cc:</span> </b>Dev Anand Teelucksingh <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect">devtee@gmail.com</a>>;
<br clear="none">
<b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span> </b>Re: [At-Large] (no subject)
<br clear="none">
<b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span> </b>Fri, Oct 23, 2015 7:01:08 PM <br clear="none">
</div>
<br clear="none">
<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0"><tbody><tr><td colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top">
<div>
<div>Yes, we first started experiencing the problem back when <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://yahoo.com">
http://yahoo.com</a> changed their DMARC policy to a strict reject.</div>
<div>We didn’t have many <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://yahoo.com">
http://yahoo.com</a> senders on our lists surprisingly so the problem wasn’t a huge deal.</div>
<div>We were waiting on a vendor back port patch (CentOS via Redhat) to help with header munging for senders with strict reject DMARC policies.</div>
<div>The back port patch was ready back in August but we didn’t have time to fully test.</div>
<div>We have completed testing as of this morning and plan schedule the change for this weekend.</div>
<div><br clear="none">
</div>
<div>The change will be almost transparent with exception to senders from domains with strict reject DMARC policies.</div>
<div>In this case, the “from:” will be replaced with the list address and we will insert a “reply-to:” header with the senders address.</div>
<div>Our testing indicates this is working flawlessly with the vendor patch.</div>
<div><br clear="none">
</div>
<div><br clear="none">
</div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div style="font-family:Consolas;font-size:medium;">--</div>
<div style="font-family:Consolas;font-size:medium;">David Closson</div>
<div style="font-family:Consolas;font-size:medium;">Director of IT Operations, ICANN</div>
<div style="font-family:Consolas;font-size:medium;">12025 Waterfront Dr. Suite 300</div>
<div style="font-family:Consolas;font-size:medium;">Los Angeles, CA 90094</div>
<div style="font-family:Consolas;font-size:medium;">Office: +1-310-578-8670</div>
<div style="font-family:Consolas;font-size:medium;">Cell: +1-213-270-3866</div>
<div style="font-family:Consolas;font-size:medium;">--</div>
</div>
<div><br clear="none">
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<div><br clear="none">
</div>
<span></span>
<div>
<div style="font-family:Calibri;font-size:12pt;text-align:left;color:black;BORDER-BOTTOM:medium none;BORDER-LEFT:medium none;PADDING-BOTTOM:0in;PADDING-LEFT:0in;PADDING-RIGHT:0in;BORDER-TOP:#b5c4df 1pt solid;BORDER-RIGHT:medium none;PADDING-TOP:3pt;">
<span style="font-weight:bold;">From: </span>Ron Baione <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect">ron.baione@yahoo.com</a>><br clear="none">
<span style="font-weight:bold;">Date: </span>Thursday, October 22, 2015 at 7:15 PM<br clear="none">
<span style="font-weight:bold;">To: </span>"david.closson" <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect">david.closson@icann.org</a>><br clear="none">
<span style="font-weight:bold;">Subject: </span>Re: [At-Large] (no subject)<br clear="none">
</div>
<div><br clear="none">
</div>
<blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT:#b5c4df 5 solid;PADDING:0 0 0 5;MARGIN:0 0 0 5;">
<div>
<div>
<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0"><tbody><tr><td colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top">
<div>Thanks David, any way you can provide when the DMARC email issue was initially brought to your attention? For example, has the referenced upgrade been in the works for a few months or is this something that occurred just within the last few weeks/days?<br clear="none">
<br clear="none">
Ron</div>
</td></tr></tbody></table>
<div>
<div><br clear="none">
<div>
<div style="font-size:0.9em;">
<hr size="1">
<b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span> </b>David Closson <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect">david.closson@icann.org</a>>;
<br clear="none">
<b><span style="font-weight:bold;">To:</span> </b>Ron Baione <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect">ron.baione@yahoo.com</a>>;
<br clear="none">
<b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span> </b>Re: [At-Large] (no subject)
<br clear="none">
<b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span> </b>Fri, Oct 23, 2015 12:38:48 AM <br clear="none">
</div>
<br clear="none">
<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0"><tbody><tr><td colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top">
<div>
<div>Greetings Ron,</div>
<div><br clear="none">
</div>
<div>We are testing the version upgrade now in our test environment but need about a week before the actual production upgrade.</div>
<div><br clear="none">
</div>
<div><span style="font-family:Consolas;font-size:medium;">-</span></div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div style="font-family:Consolas;font-size:medium;">David Closson</div>
<div style="font-family:Consolas;font-size:medium;">Director of IT Operations, ICANN</div>
<div style="font-family:Consolas;font-size:medium;">12025 Waterfront Dr. Suite 300</div>
<div style="font-family:Consolas;font-size:medium;">Los Angeles, CA 90094</div>
<div style="font-family:Consolas;font-size:medium;">Office: +1-310-578-8670</div>
<div style="font-family:Consolas;font-size:medium;">Cell: +1-213-270-3866</div>
<div style="font-family:Consolas;font-size:medium;">--</div>
</div>
<div><br clear="none">
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<div><br clear="none">
</div>
<span></span>
<div>
<div style="font-family:Calibri;font-size:12pt;text-align:left;color:black;BORDER-BOTTOM:medium none;BORDER-LEFT:medium none;PADDING-BOTTOM:0in;PADDING-LEFT:0in;PADDING-RIGHT:0in;BORDER-TOP:#b5c4df 1pt solid;BORDER-RIGHT:medium none;PADDING-TOP:3pt;">
<span style="font-weight:bold;">From: </span>Ron Baione <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect">ron.baione@yahoo.com</a>><br clear="none">
<span style="font-weight:bold;">Date: </span>Thursday, October 22, 2015 at 12:51 PM<br clear="none">
<span style="font-weight:bold;">To: </span>"david.closson" <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect">david.closson@icann.org</a>><br clear="none">
<span style="font-weight:bold;">Subject: </span>Re: [At-Large] (no subject)<br clear="none">
</div>
<div><br clear="none">
</div>
<blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT:#b5c4df 5 solid;PADDING:0 0 0 5;MARGIN:0 0 0 5;">
<div>
<div>
<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0"><tbody><tr><td colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top">
<div>David, <br clear="none">
<br clear="none">
If possible, provide the date or time-frame that the ICANN system upgrade for DMARC related emails was planned for or ordered by your office.<br clear="none">
<br clear="none">
Ron</div>
</td></tr></tbody></table>
<div>
<div><br clear="none">
<div>
<div style="font-size:0.9em;">
<hr size="1">
<b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span> </b>David Closson <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect">david.closson@icann.org</a>>;
<br clear="none">
<b><span style="font-weight:bold;">To:</span> </b>John R. Levine <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect">johnl@iecc.com</a>>;
<br clear="none">
<b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Cc:</span> </b><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect">at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org</a> <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect">at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org</a>>;
<br clear="none">
<b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span> </b>Re: [At-Large] (no subject)
<br clear="none">
<b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span> </b>Thu, Oct 22, 2015 6:26:30 PM <br clear="none">
</div>
<br clear="none">
<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0"><tbody><tr><td colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top">Thanks John.<br clear="none">
<br clear="none">
We can discuss off-list if you would like.<br clear="none">
<br clear="none">
Yes, I was attempting to avoid an email discussion regarding DMARC but we already have a upgrade planned to our mailman system since some DMARC support is a necessity moving forward.<br clear="none">
<br clear="none">
<br clear="none">
<br clear="none">
<br clear="none">
<br clear="none">
<br clear="none">
--<br clear="none">
David Closson<br clear="none">
Director of IT Operations, ICANN<br clear="none">
12025 Waterfront Dr. Suite 300<br clear="none">
Los Angeles, CA 90094<br clear="none">
Office: +1-310-578-8670<br clear="none">
Cell: +1-213-270-3866<br clear="none">
--<br clear="none">
<br clear="none">
<br clear="none">
<br clear="none">
<br clear="none">
<br clear="none">
<br clear="none">
<br clear="none">
<br clear="none">
-----Original Message-----<br clear="none">
From: "John R. Levine" <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect">johnl@iecc.com</a>><br clear="none">
Date: Thursday, October 22, 2015 at 10:54 AM<br clear="none">
To: "david.closson" <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect">david.closson@icann.org</a>><br clear="none">
Cc: Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect">ocl@gih.com</a>>, "<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect">at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org</a>" <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect">at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org</a>><br clear="none">
Subject: Re: [At-Large] (no subject)<br clear="none">
<br clear="none">
>> We are working to provide a solution to this problem as quickly as possible.<br clear="none">
>> We will update Valentina Pavel (ICANN IT support case holder) who can in turn advise the Atlarge stakeholders.<br clear="none">
><br clear="none">
>It's actually called DMARC, and I can report there is some work in <br clear="none">
>progress to fix it at the group that caused the DMARC problems in the <br clear="none">
>first place.<br clear="none">
><br clear="none">
>R's,<br clear="none">
>John<br clear="none">
_______________________________________________<br clear="none">
At-Large mailing list<br clear="none">
<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect">At-Large@atlarge-lists.icann.org</a><br clear="none">
<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect">https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/at-large</a><br clear="none">
<br clear="none">
At-Large Official Site: <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect">http://atlarge.icann.org</a><br clear="none">
</td></tr></tbody></table>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
</div>
</td></tr></tbody></table>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
</div>
</td></tr></tbody></table>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
</div>
</div>
</td></tr></tbody></table>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div><span>_______________________________________________</span><br clear="none">
<span>Accountability-Cross-Community mailing list</span><br clear="none">
<span><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect">Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org</a></span><br clear="none">
<span><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/accountability-cross-community">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/accountability-cross-community</a></span><br clear="none">
<span></span><br clear="none">
<span></span><br clear="none">
</div>
</blockquote>
</div>
</blockquote></div></div></td>
</tr>
</tbody>
</table>
</div>
</div>
</div>