<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>Roelof,</div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="AppleMailSignature">It is easy to filter on his/her From: or as of late Reply-To: header. I do not filter his/her</div><div id="AppleMailSignature">emails, myself, because they do provide the occasional comic relief, even if I agree, they </div><div id="AppleMailSignature">are generally subject-matter free.</div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="AppleMailSignature">I am a firm believer in everybody being allowed the opportunity to prove oneself an idiot,</div><div id="AppleMailSignature">but will, should it come to a Consensus Call, not object.</div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="AppleMailSignature">el</div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br>-- <div>Sent from Dr Lisse's iPad mini</div></div><div><br>On 25 Oct 2015, at 17:50, Roelof Meijer <<a href="mailto:Roelof.Meijer@sidn.nl">Roelof.Meijer@sidn.nl</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
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<div>Dear co-chairs,</div>
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<div>I herewith formally request you to consider revoking mr. Ron Baione's (example email below) access to and entry on the CCWG email list(s).</div>
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<div>As arguments supporting this request I submit that:</div>
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<li>The nearly 80 emails mr. Baione sent to this list only this month, lack both subject (as of late) and content in almost all cases. Theypre cost other subscribers to the list precious time and bring us (and the community) nothing;</li><li>Mr. Baione’s Statement of Interest states very little in general and and is quite unclear about his interests in particular.</li></ul>
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<div>@ my fellow CCWG members and participants: please feel free to support or object to this request.</div>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span><<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org">accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a>> on behalf of Ron Baione via Accountability-Cross-Community <<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Reply-To: </span>Ron Baione <<a href="mailto:ron.baione@yahoo.com">ron.baione@yahoo.com</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span>zaterdag 24 oktober 2015 17:09<br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span>"Salaets, Ken" <<a href="mailto:ksalaets@itic.org">ksalaets@itic.org</a>>, Keith Drazek <<a href="mailto:kdrazek@verisign.com">kdrazek@verisign.com</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Cc: </span>"<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Fw: [At-Large] (no subject)<br>
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<div>Is anyone aware of when the next Winston Churchill trivia session will be? Is that a weekly thing? Monthly? Just trying to blend in to the hard work process that is strictly adhered to, it seems.<br>
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold">From:</span> </b>Salaets, Ken <<a href="mailto:ksalaets@itic.org">ksalaets@itic.org</a>>;
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span> </b>Drazek, Keith <<a href="mailto:kdrazek@verisign.com">kdrazek@verisign.com</a>>;
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Cc:</span> </b><a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a> <<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a>>;
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span> </b>Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Fw: [At-Large] (no subject)
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span> </b>Sat, Oct 24, 2015 4:02:11 PM <br>
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On Oct 24, 2015, at 5:25 PM, Drazek, Keith <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:kdrazek@verisign.com" target="_blank" href="javascript:return">kdrazek@verisign.com</a>> wrote:<br clear="none">
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<div>I suggest we ALL try to limit personal back-and-forth email on this global list. We have enough real work to do without distractions. </div>
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On Oct 24, 2015, at 4:21 PM, Greg Shatan <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="javascript:return">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br clear="none">
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<div>Not quite sure what you are trying to say, but I would be glad to ask the list <span></span>to comment on the relative value of your contributions to my emails, meeting contributions, Working Party contributions and drafting contributions over the last
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<div>As you say, it's all relative.
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On Saturday, October 24, 2015, Ron Baione <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:ron.baione@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="javascript:return">ron.baione@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br clear="none">
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<div>The email sought was not found in the archives. The point I was making is that there was no email alerting the community to a known IT problem, nor will there be. The quality of anyone's contributions is relative to the person reading them, as this is
an open and inclusive process, and lastly, the quality of your contributions have helped lead ICANN to the success it is today.<br clear="none">
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<td colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top">This is a publicly archived email list. You have the same access to the prior emails as every other participant. I suggest you start reading from the beginning of the list and work your way forward until you have caught
up with the group. You should find the email you seek in the process.
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<div>This will likely have the effect of improving <span></span>the quality of your contributions as well.<br clear="none">
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On Friday, October 23, 2015, Ron Baione <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect">ron.baione@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br clear="none">
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<div>The bounceback/spam IT Issue the email lists have been having was a known issue to the office of the ICANN IT director since Yahoo changed its spam filter to DMARC. The information in this email chain (below) was not provided to me when I signed up as
a participant to ccwg-accountability. The patch to fix the issue was available in August (read conversation below). If anyone can provide me an email from August 2015 or before, from the IT director or IT Staff, which instructs the members, participants and
observers of this or any mailing list that a patch or fix to the mailing list bounceback/spam issue would be tested and implemented, kindly forward that email to me.<br clear="none">
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span> </b>David Closson <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect">david.closson@icann.org</a>>;
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold;">To:</span> </b>Ron Baione <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect">ron.baione@yahoo.com</a>>;
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Cc:</span> </b>Dev Anand Teelucksingh <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect">devtee@gmail.com</a>>;
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<div>Yes, we first started experiencing the problem back when <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://yahoo.com">
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<div>We didn’t have many <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://yahoo.com">
http://yahoo.com</a> senders on our lists surprisingly so the problem wasn’t a huge deal.</div>
<div>We were waiting on a vendor back port patch (CentOS via Redhat) to help with header munging for senders with strict reject DMARC policies.</div>
<div>The back port patch was ready back in August but we didn’t have time to fully test.</div>
<div>We have completed testing as of this morning and plan schedule the change for this weekend.</div>
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<div>The change will be almost transparent with exception to senders from domains with strict reject DMARC policies.</div>
<div>In this case, the “from:” will be replaced with the list address and we will insert a “reply-to:” header with the senders address.</div>
<div>Our testing indicates this is working flawlessly with the vendor patch.</div>
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<div>We are testing the version upgrade now in our test environment but need about a week before the actual production upgrade.</div>
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To: "david.closson" <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect">david.closson@icann.org</a>><br clear="none">
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