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<p dir="ltr">Agree <u>Avri</u></p>
<p dir="ltr">Jonathan Zuck<br>
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ACT: The App Association<br>
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<div class="x_gmail_quote">On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 9:59 AM -0700, "Avri Doria" <span dir="ltr">
<<a href="mailto:avri@acm.org" target="_blank">avri@acm.org</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div class="PlainText">Hi,<br>
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I will be in João Passoa, but the time slot conflict with other<br>
obligations I have at the IGF.<br>
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I personally do not see any problem with groups of people getting<br>
together to discuss the issues anytime, anywhere they can. Obviously no<br>
decisions will be made, but who know, maybe the germ of idea that can<br>
feed into g=future solution might be formed.<br>
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I am grateful the space will be provided even though I do not expect to<br>
be able to join in. I bet, though, that I will not escape a week of IGF<br>
without talking about ICANN accountability endlessly in all sorts of<br>
little groupings. The IGF is a forum for people to meet and talk about<br>
all sorts of stuff without deciding anything. <br>
<br>
avri<br>
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On 27-Oct-15 12:42, Greg Shatan wrote:<br>
> James,<br>
><br>
> I have a great deal of respect and affection for both you and Leon. <br>
> However, your email and Leon's email do not align. Leon's email<br>
> clearly envisages two three hour sessions in a "room in which to<br>
> work." And that work is identified as "a good opportunity to continue<br>
> advancing our work to finalize the drafting of the proposal." And the<br>
> next step is to figure out "how to organize for work." With the<br>
> ultimate goal to "make the best out of" this "great opportunity to<br>
> finalize our drafting."<br>
><br>
> This does not sound like merely the "CCWG Lounge," and suspicions,<br>
> once aroused, tend to be inflamed rather than assuaged by statements<br>
> that can be seen as "move along folks, nothing to see here." This may<br>
> not have been your intention, especially since your vision for this<br>
> serendipitous gathering seems quite different than Leon's, but<br>
> unfortunately it has that effect.<br>
><br>
> I suggest that this ill-conceived gathering be rethought or<br>
> abandoned. As stated, it sadly fails any test of transparency,<br>
> accountability or inclusiveness.<br>
><br>
> Greg<br>
><br>
> On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 12:27 PM, James Gannon<br>
> <james@cyberinvasion.net <<a href="mailto:james@cyberinvasion.net">mailto:james@cyberinvasion.net</a>>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> This is not a meeting of the CCWG but rather a room for CCWG<br>
> participants to work together in. NO decisions or work that would<br>
> not have already taken place outside of the formal CCWG meetings<br>
> will take place. It is merely a way for the CCWG participants who<br>
> find themselves in Brazil to be able to find each other easily.<br>
><br>
> -James<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> On 27/10/2015, 4:08 p.m.,<br>
> "accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org<br>
> <<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org">mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a>> on<br>
> behalf of Nigel Roberts"<br>
> <accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org<br>
> <<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org">mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a>> on<br>
> behalf of nigel@channelisles.net <<a href="mailto:nigel@channelisles.net">mailto:nigel@channelisles.net</a>>><br>
> wrote:<br>
><br>
> >Dear Co-Chairs<br>
> ><br>
> >As a Participant I find this development highly irregular.<br>
> ><br>
> >It is most exclusionary of participation for a number of both<br>
> >Participants and Members, I find.<br>
> ><br>
> >Are such meetings permitted by the Charter?<br>
> ><br>
> >Furthermore it will not be transparent, as absent staff support there<br>
> >will be no record, recording or transcription.<br>
> ><br>
> >In any event, although I have not done such in the past, I feel<br>
> strongly<br>
> >enough about this to formally raise my concerns to the Ombudsman, and<br>
> >trust he will be able to discuss this proposal with the WG in order<br>
> >mediate a position that may alleviate the serious concerns about the<br>
> >integrity of the process here.<br>
> ><br>
> >I regret the necessity for this.<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> >Nigel Roberts<br>
> ><br>
> >On 26/10/15 23:43, León Felipe Sánchez Ambía wrote:<br>
> >> Dear all,<br>
> >><br>
> >> As discussed in our last session, a lot of us will be attending<br>
> the IGF<br>
> >> in João Pessoa, Brazil, and it would be a good opportunity to<br>
> continue<br>
> >> advancing our work to finalize the drafting of the proposal.<br>
> >><br>
> >> Pedro has kindly arranged a room for us to work on Tuesday,<br>
> November 10<br>
> >> and on Friday, November 13, from 9 am to 12 pm both days.<br>
> Please note<br>
> >> that since this is not a formal CCWG meeting, ICANN will not be<br>
> able to<br>
> >> provide staff support or any remote participation capability<br>
> for this<br>
> >> informal meeting. Of course, no travel support either as this<br>
> is only a<br>
> >> plan to take advantage of the situation that many of us will<br>
> already be<br>
> >> there for the IGF.<br>
> >><br>
> >> In order to organize ourselves, I suggest as a first step that<br>
> we know<br>
> >> who is attending so that we can figure out the logistics to<br>
> make this<br>
> >> work. Therefore, I would kindly encourage you to please fill in<br>
> your<br>
> >> name in the spreadsheet linked below so we can have a better<br>
> idea of how<br>
> >> we could organize for work.<br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> <a href="https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1diDLY_uFmvqkpPmI858MfRx4_0FMTGYLMuDFm3lVT68/edit?usp=sharing">
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1diDLY_uFmvqkpPmI858MfRx4_0FMTGYLMuDFm3lVT68/edit?usp=sharing</a><br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >> This is a great opportunity to finalize our drafting. Let’s<br>
> make the<br>
> >> best out of it.<br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >> Best regards,<br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >> León<br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
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