<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">James,</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">I have a great deal of respect and affection for both you and Leon. However, your email and Leon's email do not align. Leon's email clearly envisages two three hour sessions in a "room in which to work." And that work is identified as "<span style="font-size:12.8px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">a good opportunity to continue advancing our work to finalize the drafting of the proposal.</span>" And the next step is to figure out "how to organize for work." With the ultimate goal to "make the best out of" this "great opportunity to finalize our drafting."</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">This does not sound like merely the "CCWG Lounge," and suspicions, once aroused, tend to be inflamed rather than assuaged by statements that can be seen as "move along folks, nothing to see here." This may not have been your intention, especially since your vision for this serendipitous gathering seems quite different than Leon's, but unfortunately it has that effect.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">I suggest that this ill-conceived gathering be rethought or abandoned. As stated, it sadly fails any test of transparency, accountability or inclusiveness.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Greg</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 12:27 PM, James Gannon <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:james@cyberinvasion.net" target="_blank">james@cyberinvasion.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">This is not a meeting of the CCWG but rather a room for CCWG participants to work together in. NO decisions or work that would not have already taken place outside of the formal CCWG meetings will take place. It is merely a way for the CCWG participants who find themselves in Brazil to be able to find each other easily.<br>
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On 27/10/2015, 4:08 p.m., "<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org">accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a> on behalf of Nigel Roberts" <<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org">accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a> on behalf of <a href="mailto:nigel@channelisles.net">nigel@channelisles.net</a>> wrote:<br>
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>Dear Co-Chairs<br>
><br>
>As a Participant I find this development highly irregular.<br>
><br>
>It is most exclusionary of participation for a number of both<br>
>Participants and Members, I find.<br>
><br>
>Are such meetings permitted by the Charter?<br>
><br>
>Furthermore it will not be transparent, as absent staff support there<br>
>will be no record, recording or transcription.<br>
><br>
>In any event, although I have not done such in the past, I feel strongly<br>
>enough about this to formally raise my concerns to the Ombudsman, and<br>
>trust he will be able to discuss this proposal with the WG in order<br>
>mediate a position that may alleviate the serious concerns about the<br>
>integrity of the process here.<br>
><br>
>I regret the necessity for this.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
>Nigel Roberts<br>
><br>
>On 26/10/15 23:43, León Felipe Sánchez Ambía wrote:<br>
>> Dear all,<br>
>><br>
>> As discussed in our last session, a lot of us will be attending the IGF<br>
>> in João Pessoa, Brazil, and it would be a good opportunity to continue<br>
>> advancing our work to finalize the drafting of the proposal.<br>
>><br>
>> Pedro has kindly arranged a room for us to work on Tuesday, November 10<br>
>> and on Friday, November 13, from 9 am to 12 pm both days. Please note<br>
>> that since this is not a formal CCWG meeting, ICANN will not be able to<br>
>> provide staff support or any remote participation capability for this<br>
>> informal meeting. Of course, no travel support either as this is only a<br>
>> plan to take advantage of the situation that many of us will already be<br>
>> there for the IGF.<br>
>><br>
>> In order to organize ourselves, I suggest as a first step that we know<br>
>> who is attending so that we can figure out the logistics to make this<br>
>> work. Therefore, I would kindly encourage you to please fill in your<br>
>> name in the spreadsheet linked below so we can have a better idea of how<br>
>> we could organize for work.<br>
>><br>
>> <a href="https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1diDLY_uFmvqkpPmI858MfRx4_0FMTGYLMuDFm3lVT68/edit?usp=sharing" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1diDLY_uFmvqkpPmI858MfRx4_0FMTGYLMuDFm3lVT68/edit?usp=sharing</a><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> This is a great opportunity to finalize our drafting. Let’s make the<br>
>> best out of it.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Best regards,<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> León<br>
>><br>
>><br>
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