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This is not “accepting” Stress Test 18 it is deliberately avoiding the hard choice.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>The issue remains – will GAC advice continue to require Board negotiation, a privilege given to no other advisory committee? If it will then will the GAC agree that it cannot unilaterally change the definition of consensus? I see nothing in the communique that resolves that – nor any recognition by the GAC that all of the other commenters in the public comment process have disagreed with its position and supported the Bylaw modification that answers ST18. There is only a recognition of the problem and a continued promse to “work within CCWG.” All that is well and good – but it doesn’t change the issue which (save for your inadvertent misattribution of Denmark’s views) you have correctly summarized.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Paul<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Paul Rosenzweig<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><a href="mailto:paul.rosenzweigesq@redbranchconsulting.com"><span style='color:#0563C1'>paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com</span></a> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>O: +1 (202) 547-0660<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>M: +1 (202) 329-9650<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>VOIP: +1 (202) 738-1739<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Skype: paul.rosenzweig1066<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-align:justify'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><a href="http://www.redbranchconsulting.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=19&Itemid=9"><span style='color:#0563C1'>Link to my PGP Key</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Arun Mohan Sukumar [mailto:arun.sukumar@orfonline.org] <br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, October 27, 2015 2:12 PM<br><b>To:</b> Greg Shatan <gregshatanipc@gmail.com><br><b>Cc:</b> Accountability Cross Community <accountability-cross-community@icann.org><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [CCWG-ACCT] On Stress Test 18<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Hi Olga, <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>This is the operative part of the Dublin communique on ST18. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>The GAC considered:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>1. The need that each and every Advisory Committee ensures that the advice provided is clear and reflects the consensus view of the Committee; <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>2. The need that each and every Advisory Committee should preserve its own autonomy in its definition of consensus; <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>3. The value the Board attributes to receiving consensus advice;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>.... the GAC agreed to further work on the issue of Stress Test 18...<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>These 3 options considered by the GAC are as different as chalk and cheese. What might an objective analysis of them be? If, as Greg says, the issue is settled, why didn't the GAC simply accept the stress test?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I have no fight in this either, so I'm very much looking to hear a more informed take on the Communique.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Best,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Arun<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br clear=all><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>-- <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Head, Cyber Initiative<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Observer Research Foundation, New Delhi<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="http://amsukumar.tumblr.com/" target="_blank"><span style='color:#1155CC'>http://amsukumar.tumblr.com</span></a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>+91-9871943272<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 11:13 PM, Greg Shatan <<a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com" target="_blank">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>Arun,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>This is not my fight, but I don't understand your position. Your reliance on the 3 March 2015 email is incorrect on its face -- it does not say that Denmark opposed Stress Test 18. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>In any event you have the email intervention from Finn Petersen (signed "GAC - Dk") asking you tor correct it. I don't think you need any further requests from Denmark to correct your article. It would be the responsible thing to do.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>If this remains uncorrected, in combination with the passage that Olga Cavalli quoted, it gives the appearance that your article is a stick stirring the ashes, hoping to rekindle a fire that has gone out, rather than a serious piece of reporting or analysis. I hope that you did not intend to be a pyromaniac -- it would be a waste of your time and skills, and counterproductive in the larger scheme of things.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#888888'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#888888'>Greg<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#888888'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#888888'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 1:31 PM, Arun Mohan Sukumar <<a href="mailto:arun.sukumar@orfonline.org" target="_blank">arun.sukumar@orfonline.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><p class=MsoNormal>Thanks Greg - I would need to link to an e-mail intervention from DK or GAC meeting transcripts (when Dublin ones are out) to make this correction. Saying this post the article's publication is not quite the same.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Best,<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br clear=all><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>-- <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Head, Cyber Initiative<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Observer Research Foundation, New Delhi<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="http://amsukumar.tumblr.com/" target="_blank"><span style='color:#1155CC'>http://amsukumar.tumblr.com</span></a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="tel:%2B91-9871943272" target="_blank">+91-9871943272</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 10:56 PM, Greg Shatan <<a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com" target="_blank">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>Arun,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>I just read the email you referred to. It does not support the proposition that Stress Test 18 is unacceptable to Denmark, or even that Denmark has a position on Stress Test 18. It is a fairly nuanced and non-dispositive email, contributing to the overall discourse at the time it was written. Furthermore, it was written 3 March 2015, which in "CCWG time" is several millennia ago -- a further reason not to rely on it as a statement of "position" in late October.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>I suggest that you do not need to wait for further instructions from Denmark in order to correct your piece, especially since Denmark has already told you in no uncertain terms that "your statement concerning Denmark is wrong!!!!"<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>I look forward to reading the revised version of your article.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>Best regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>Greg Shatan<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 1:15 PM, Arun Mohan Sukumar <<a href="mailto:arun.sukumar@orfonline.org" target="_blank">arun.sukumar@orfonline.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><p class=MsoNormal>Hi Finn, this is what I went by: <a href="http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/wp1/2015-March/000071.html" target="_blank">http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/wp1/2015-March/000071.html</a><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>If the Danish position has changed, happy to correct.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Best,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br clear=all><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>-- <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Head, Cyber Initiative<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Observer Research Foundation, New Delhi<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="http://amsukumar.tumblr.com/" target="_blank"><span style='color:#1155CC'>http://amsukumar.tumblr.com</span></a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="tel:%2B91-9871943272" target="_blank">+91-9871943272</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 10:32 PM, Finn Petersen <<a href="mailto:FinPet@erst.dk" target="_blank">FinPet@erst.dk</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Dear Arun,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Thoughts - here is one!<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>You write "Several countries, notably Brazil, Spain, Denmark and Argentina, see the proposed modification as unacceptable."<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Why did you include Denmark in the group of countries that oppose ST18 - your statement concerning Denmark is wrong!!!!<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Please correct this.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Best,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Finn, GAC - Dk<br><br>Sendt fra min iPad<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>Den 27. okt. 2015 kl. 17.42 skrev "<a href="mailto:arun.sukumar@orfonline.org" target="_blank">arun.sukumar@orfonline.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:arun.sukumar@orfonline.org" target="_blank">arun.sukumar@orfonline.org</a>>:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>CCWGers, plugging here a post I wrote on discussions around Stress Test 18. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="http://blogs.cfr.org/cyber/2015/10/27/governments-v-icann-the-last-battle-before-the-iana-transition/" target="_blank">http://blogs.cfr.org/cyber/2015/10/27/governments-v-icann-the-last-battle-before-the-iana-transition/</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Thoughts welcome!<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Best,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Arun<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Sent from my iPad<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Head, Cyber Initiative<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Observer Research Foundation, New Delhi<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="http://amsukumar.tumblr.com/" target="_blank">http://amsukumar.tumblr.com/</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Ph: +91-<span style='font-family:uictfonttextstylebody'>9871943272</span> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal>_______________________________________________<br>Accountability-Cross-Community mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org" target="_blank">Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org</a><br><a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/accountability-cross-community" target="_blank">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/accountability-cross-community</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote></div></div></div></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>_______________________________________________<br>Accountability-Cross-Community mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org" target="_blank">Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org</a><br><a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/accountability-cross-community" target="_blank">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/accountability-cross-community</a><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></div></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></div></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></div></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></body></html>