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<td>Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Contribution on Transparency Reforms for
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<td>Eric Brunner-Williams <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:ebw@abenaki.wabanaki.net"><ebw@abenaki.wabanaki.net></a></td>
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<td>Schaefer, Brett <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:Brett.Schaefer@heritage.org"><Brett.Schaefer@heritage.org></a>,
Robin Gross (<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:robin@ipjustice.org">robin@ipjustice.org</a>)
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<td>farzaneh badii <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:farzaneh.badii@gmail.com"><farzaneh.badii@gmail.com></a>, Tamir
Israel <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:tisrael@cippic.ca"><tisrael@cippic.ca></a>, Padmini
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Burr <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:becky.burr@neustar.biz"><becky.burr@neustar.biz></a>,
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James Gannon <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:james@cyberinvasion.net"><james@cyberinvasion.net></a>, Wilson,
Christopher <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:cwilson@21cf.com"><cwilson@21cf.com></a>, Matthew Shears
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<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:michael@law-democracy.org"><michael@law-democracy.org></a>, Karel Douglas
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Brett,<br>
<br>
Please see Section 6333 of the California Corporations Code,
which Greg sent to the list earlier today. See also Greg's
commentary.<br>
<br>
I'm glad you believe there is a public interest in disclosure,
your "Do you disagree ..." point, below. However, the question
is how much and under what circumstances.<br>
<br>
Eric<br>
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On 10/28/15 11:26 AM, Schaefer, Brett wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I’m
an observer on the CCWG list, so I can’t post to it. I
thought the rationale was explained in the document, but
perhaps it could be clearer. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I’m
not sure I follow your number references. However, my
responses to your questions, perhaps not representative of
the group, are below:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph"
style="text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#1F497D"><span
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">The
problem is not the accounting or records practices, it is
access to them. As a member organization, the sole member
would have had full access to those documents upon
request. The designator does not have similar power under
California law. This bullet seeks to patch that gap that
arose from the switch of models. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#1F497D"><span
style="mso-list:Ignore">·<span style="font:7.0pt
"Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">The
DIDP policies have not facilitated transparency to the
extent that many of the community feel is needed. The vast
majority of DIDP requests have been denied based on
several analyses. There is insufficient means of
independent appeal as you note. The recommendation is to
tighten the exemptions and provide independent means for
appealing DIDP denials. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#1F497D"><span
style="mso-list:Ignore">·<span style="font:7.0pt
"Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Periodic
review of any policy is a good idea I would think. If
biannually is too frequent, what review cycle do you
suggest? <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#1F497D"><span
style="mso-list:Ignore">·<span style="font:7.0pt
"Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Do
you disagree that ICANN should make clear to the
multi-stakeholder community its contacts with government
officials, who it has hired to represent the organization
and how much compensation they receive, and what policies
it is seeking to influence? It is unclear in your e-mail.
I believe, as a corporation representing the public
interest, the public has an interest in knowing what ICANN
is doing on its behalf. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#1F497D"><span
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"Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">As
was mentioned in the Q&A portion of the Dublin
meetings, the level of disclosure should be similar to
that required under the Foreign Agents Registration Act in
the U.S. There are hundreds of people who comply with this
law in the U.S. I understand it can be tedious, but the
number of ICANN employees likely to be affected is fairly
small and the benefits in terms of transparency and
community accountability would, in my opinion, be
significant. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<hr align="left" color="#58595b" width="200"> <span
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<span style="font-size:x-small; color: #004B8D; font-weight:
bold; ">Schaefer</span><span style="font-size:x-small; color:
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Jay Kingham Senior Research Fellow in International Regulatory
Affairs</span><span style="font-size:x-small; color: #58595B;
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Margaret Thatcher Center for Freedom Davis Institute for
National Security and Foreign Policy</span><br>
<font color="#58595b" size="2">The Heritage Foundation<br>
214 Massachusetts Avenue, NE<br>
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<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Eric Brunner-Williams<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, October 28, 2015 1:39 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Contribution on
Transparency Reforms for CCWG<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Robin, and others "of small subgroup",
<br>
<br>
Could you point to the deficiencies in the current
accounting, records and minutes practices? Your first
bullet point.<br>
<br>
Your second bullet point contains several items. I concur
with the recommendation that something be improved in the
office of the Ombudsman, its staffing, its processes, and
the recourse available when its staff and processes fail,
other than laughing it off. Your item #3.<br>
<br>
Could you share the rationals for items #1 and #2? What is
the rational for biannual review of DIDP, and what are
"best practices" in this context? Your item #4.<br>
<br>
Your third bullet point #3 (and the emboldened duplicate)
starts out non-controversially, putting domestic filings
where the unfamiliar are likelier to find them. But then
the scope of disclosure broadens beyond lobbying to all
individuals, and all "government officials".<br>
<br>
As a practical matter, how many members of staff do you
all envision being allowed to interact with public
employees? As the scope is not limited to employees, but
extends to "representatives", how far do you all envision
the duty of record and disclose to extend? If two people
speak about addresses or protocol parameters or names, and
one is an employee of some public agency, and the other an
employee of ICANN, or a "representative", does that
necessarily fall within the duty to record and disclose? <br>
<br>
Thanks in advance,<br>
Eric<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
On 10/27/15 12:00 PM, Robin Gross wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Here is a link to a document intended
to contribute to CCWG's work on improving transparency
at ICANN:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The doc is the creation of small
subgroup of CCWG participants focusing on this
transparency issue. Feedback is most welcome!<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></p>
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