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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Sorry but don't think that this phrase will find much "consensus" within GAC: "</span><i><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">so
long as the Board gets to determine what it deems consensus advice</span></i><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> that activates the consultation agreement". So far as I recall it is not the Board that
determines what is consensus in any other SO or AC – neither should it for GAC. Also GAC gives advice on public policy issues not on all and every aspect of ICANN activity. Hope that this helps to clarify<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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[mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Paul Rosenzweig<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, October 28, 2015 7:36 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Steve DelBianco'<br>
<b>Cc:</b> 'Accountability Cross Community'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [CCWG-ACCT] On Stress Test 18<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I have no interest in telling GAC how to operate. They can use a Oujia board for all I care (ok .. that’s a bit extreme).
My concern is with the action forcing mechanism that they have to compel Board consideration. That is why, to be clear, I
<b>completely support</b> the idea of amending the bylaws to require the mutual agreement consultation process
<b>only</b> when the GAC’s advice is by consensus --- so long as the Board gets to determine what it deems consensus advice that activates the consultation agreement. If you read my note as anything other than support for the idea, I apologize for my rhetorical
flourish.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Steve DelBianco [<a href="mailto:sdelbianco@netchoice.org">mailto:sdelbianco@netchoice.org</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, October 28, 2015 1:23 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Paul Rosenzweig <<a href="mailto:paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com">paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> 'Accountability Cross Community' <<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [CCWG-ACCT] On Stress Test 18<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Paul — you suggest CCWG should somehow prevent GAC from changing its own<a href="https://gacweb.icann.org/display/gacweb/GAC+Operating+Principles">
operating principles</a>, regarding how they make decisions. But an approach that interferes with GAC (or any AC/SO) prerogative to make its own rules…seems to me a blunt instrument that will meet fierce resistance.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Far better, don’t you think, to amend ICANN bylaws regarding how ICANN is obliged to respond to GAC advice. From the start, that’s all
we have ever proposed in CCWG: to require ICANN to seek a mutually acceptable solution
<u>only</u> when the GAC advice was supported by consensus of governments. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">That approach avoids embroiling ICANN’s board in resolving differences among sovereign governments in the GAC. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">It provides the incentive for GAC to reach consensus when it wants its advice to be taken most seriously. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">And it avoids telling an AC/SO how it must make decisions. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">From:
</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org">accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a>> on behalf of Paul Rosenzweig<br>
<b>Date: </b>Tuesday, October 27, 2015 at 4:35 PM<br>
<b>To: </b>'Arun Mohan Sukumar', 'Greg Shatan'<br>
<b>Cc: </b>'Accountability Cross Community'<br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [CCWG-ACCT] On Stress Test 18<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Don’t let them change your mind. Though the GAC members may assert othewrisie, your summary is accurate. The GAC has
reached consensus that it should retain the unilateral ability to change its own definition of consensus while at the same time agreeing that the Board should continue to give the GAC’s consensus advice the same value it currently attributes to consensus advice.
This is not “accepting” Stress Test 18 it is deliberately avoiding the hard choice.</span><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">The issue remains – will GAC advice continue to require Board negotiation, a privilege given to no other advisory committee?
If it will then will the GAC agree that it cannot unilaterally change the definition of consensus? I see nothing in the communique that resolves that – nor any recognition by the GAC that all of the other commenters in the public comment process have disagreed
with its position and supported the Bylaw modification that answers ST18. There is only a recognition of the problem and a continued promse to “work within CCWG.” All that is well and good – but it doesn’t change the issue which (save for your inadvertent
misattribution of Denmark’s views) you have correctly summarized.</span><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, October 27, 2015 2:12 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Greg Shatan <<a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Accountability Cross Community <<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [CCWG-ACCT] On Stress Test 18</span><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black">This is the operative part of the Dublin communique on ST18. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black">1. The need that each and every Advisory Committee ensures that the advice provided is clear and reflects the consensus view of the Committee; <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black">.... the GAC agreed to further work on the issue of Stress Test 18...<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black">These 3 options considered by the GAC are as different as chalk and cheese. What might an objective analysis of them be? If, as Greg says, the issue is settled, why didn't
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black">I have no fight in this either, so I'm very much looking to hear a more informed take on the Communique.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black">On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 11:13 PM, Greg Shatan <<a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com" target="_blank">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black">Arun,</span><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black">This is not my fight, but I don't understand your position. Your reliance on the 3 March 2015 email is incorrect on its face -- it does
not say that Denmark opposed Stress Test 18. </span><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black">In any event you have the email intervention from Finn Petersen (signed "GAC - Dk") asking you tor correct it. I don't think you need
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black">If this remains uncorrected, in combination with the passage that Olga Cavalli quoted, it gives the appearance that your article is a stick
stirring the ashes, hoping to rekindle a fire that has gone out, rather than a serious piece of reporting or analysis. I hope that you did not intend to be a pyromaniac -- it would be a waste of your time and skills, and counterproductive in the larger scheme
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black">On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 1:31 PM, Arun Mohan Sukumar <<a href="mailto:arun.sukumar@orfonline.org" target="_blank">arun.sukumar@orfonline.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black">Thanks Greg - I would need to link to an e-mail intervention from DK or GAC meeting transcripts (when Dublin ones are out) to make this correction. Saying this post the article's
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Denmark has a position on Stress Test 18. It is a fairly nuanced and non-dispositive email, contributing to the overall discourse at the time it was written. Furthermore, it was written 3 March 2015, which in "CCWG time" is several millennia ago -- a further
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black">I suggest that you do not need to wait for further instructions from Denmark in order to correct your piece, especially since Denmark has
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black">On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 1:15 PM, Arun Mohan Sukumar <<a href="mailto:arun.sukumar@orfonline.org" target="_blank">arun.sukumar@orfonline.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black">Hi Finn, this is what I went by: <a href="http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/wp1/2015-March/000071.html" target="_blank">http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/wp1/2015-March/000071.html</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black">On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 10:32 PM, Finn Petersen <<a href="mailto:FinPet@erst.dk" target="_blank">FinPet@erst.dk</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Den 27. okt. 2015 kl. 17.42 skrev "<a href="mailto:arun.sukumar@orfonline.org" target="_blank">arun.sukumar@orfonline.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:arun.sukumar@orfonline.org" target="_blank">arun.sukumar@orfonline.org</a>>:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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