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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 11/1/15 1:10 PM, Marilyn Cade wrote:<br>
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      <div dir="ltr">I too would like to reinstate the PSO. Its
        disappearance
        <div>was without real support from the stakeholders and has
          limited the </div>
        <div>Board's credibility.</div>
      </div>
    </blockquote>
    <br>
    Agree, however there is no general discussion, and for something
    this loaded I'd expect on the order of a year, the amount of time we
    discussed lawful intercept, before the IAB could offer there is
    consensus to re-form a protocol supporting organization. <br>
    <br>
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      type="cite">
      <div dir="ltr">
        <div>The seats can be taken from the NomCom seats, which grew</div>
        <div>from 5 to 8, without a real understanding of the importance
          of</div>
        <div>elected/accountable seats, against seats from elsewhere</div>
        <div>from the outside spaces around the Stakeholders.</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>When the PSO was seating members, they were seasoned,</div>
        <div>and experienced from the technical community... <br>
        </div>
      </div>
    </blockquote>
    <br>
    That is my impression also, and as you observed earlier, they were
    not appointed by ICANN's NomCom, which doesn't even disclose who has
    offered to be appointed to ICANN's Board and several other appointed
    roles, but by the protocol supporting organization, and so more
    accountable (since as a minimum, all of those who offer to be
    appointed are contributors to the protocol supporting organization).<br>
    <br>
    Eric<br>
    <br>
    <blockquote cite="mid:BAY182-W12C201DB5FD0B6A55CC99AD32D0@phx.gbl"
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      <div dir="ltr">
        <div>we have lost that particular role... <br>
          <div>
            <hr id="stopSpelling">Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Please review
            regarding IAB comments on Mission Statement<br>
            From: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:lists@christopherwilkinson.eu">lists@christopherwilkinson.eu</a><br>
            Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2015 17:41:38 +0100<br>
            CC: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:roelof.meijer@sidn.nl">roelof.meijer@sidn.nl</a>; <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:lyman@interisle.net">lyman@interisle.net</a>;
            <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:becky.burr@neustar.biz">becky.burr@neustar.biz</a>; <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:iab@iab.org">iab@iab.org</a>; <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ssac@icann.org">ssac@icann.org</a>;
            <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:marilynscade@hotmail.com">marilynscade@hotmail.com</a><br>
            To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a><br>
            <br>
            +1. 
            <div><br>
            </div>
            <div>I suggest that the solution to this problem is to
              re-instate the PSO. </div>
            <div><br>
            </div>
            <div>(At the time, the 'disappearance' of PSO was surprising
              and was interpreted as a <i>'coup'</i> by the IETF
              against other ICT standardisation entities' interests in
              the DNS. That was not correct, nor appropriate.)</div>
            <div><br>
            </div>
            <div>There has to be a global level of "<span
                style="font-family:Calibri;font-size:12pt;">coordinating
                the allocation </span><font face="Calibri"><span
                  style="font-size:12pt;">and assignment of the DNS
                  unique identifiers </span><span
                  style="font-size:16px;">…</span><span
                  style="font-size:12pt;"> ". Preferably with
                  accountability to all categories of users. If not
                  ICANN, then where?</span></font></div>
            <div><font face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:12pt;"><br>
                </span></font></div>
            <div><font face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:12pt;">CW</span></font></div>
            <div><br>
            </div>
            <div>On 01 Nov 2015, at 15:21, Marilyn Cade &lt;<a
                moz-do-not-send="true"
                href="mailto:marilynscade@hotmail.com"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:marilynscade@hotmail.com">marilynscade@hotmail.com</a></a>&gt;
              wrote:</div>
            <div>
              <div><br class="ecxApple-interchange-newline">
                <blockquote>
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                    <div dir="ltr">I prefer that you work with the IAB
                      for acceptable language.
                      <div>I was disappointed when some of you and some
                        on the then board removed the elected
                        representative from the technical community with
                        appointments on a rotating basis from entities,
                        including IETF, ITU, etc, but that did not in my
                        view replace the vision that we had when we
                        created ICANN to have elected and thus
                        acceptable representatives from the technical
                        community. </div>
                      <div><br>
                      </div>
                      <div>Frankly, I prefer to return to elected member
                        from the technical community, to replace one of
                        the NomCom appointments, which have no
                        accountability, and are randomly able to show
                        any kind of accountability. However, that Board
                        reform is a different matter from this
                        discussion. </div>
                      <div><br>
                      </div>
                      <div>And, Roelof, while usually, I agree with you,
                        it is very difficult to change ICANN bylaws. and
                        a slow process.</div>
                      <div><br>
                      </div>
                      <div>As I may not have posting privileges, I ask
                        that if this does not appear on the list, that
                        someone forward but note that there is no need
                        that you agree with my views</div>
                      <div><br>
                      </div>
                      <div>Marilyn Cade<br>
                        <br>
                        <div>&gt; From:<span
                            class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><a
                            moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="mailto:Roelof.Meijer@sidn.nl"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Roelof.Meijer@sidn.nl">Roelof.Meijer@sidn.nl</a></a><br>
                          &gt; To:<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><a
                            moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="mailto:lyman@interisle.net"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:lyman@interisle.net">lyman@interisle.net</a></a>;<span
                            class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><a
                            moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="mailto:Becky.Burr@neustar.biz"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Becky.Burr@neustar.biz">Becky.Burr@neustar.biz</a></a><br>
                          &gt; Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2015 20:37:28 +0000<br>
                          &gt; CC:<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><a
                            moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="mailto:IAB@Iab.org"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:IAB@Iab.org">IAB@Iab.org</a></a>;<span
                            class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><a
                            moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="mailto:ssac@icann.org"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ssac@icann.org">ssac@icann.org</a></a>;
                          <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a><br>
                          &gt; Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Please review
                          regarding IAB comments on Mission Statement<br>
                          &gt;<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>
                          &gt; Dear all,<br>
                          &gt;<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>
                          &gt; In my opinion, this has nothing to do
                          with the IANA Stewardship Transition<br>
                          &gt; nor the enhancement of ICANNıs
                          accountability.<br>
                          &gt; We should not deal with this.<br>
                          &gt; Moreover, the argument that this is (will
                          become) a fundamental bylaw and<br>
                          &gt; thus ³difficult to fix later² is
                          incorrect. If the community feels that<br>
                          &gt; something should be fixed here, it will
                          be easier than it is now.<br>
                          &gt;<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>
                          &gt; best,<br>
                          &gt;<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>
                          &gt; Roelof<br>
                          &gt;<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>
                          &gt;<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>
                          &gt;<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>
                          &gt;<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>
                          &gt; On 31-10-15 09:56, "<a
                            moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org">accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a></a><span
                            class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span>on<br>
                          &gt; behalf of Lyman Chapin" &lt;<a
                            moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org">accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a></a><br>
                          &gt; on behalf of<span
                            class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><a
                            moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="mailto:lyman@interisle.net"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:lyman@interisle.net">lyman@interisle.net</a></a>&gt;
                          wrote:<br>
                          &gt;<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>
                          &gt; &gt;Becky and CCWG members -<br>
                          &gt; &gt;<br>
                          &gt; &gt;Because the mission statement will be
                          a fundamental bylaw - and therefore<br>
                          &gt; &gt;by design extremely difficult to
                          "fix" later - the concern expressed by<br>
                          &gt; &gt;the IAB (and echoed by others during
                          the Dublin meeting) is a lot more<br>
                          &gt; &gt;important than it might seem; it's
                          not just a matter of preferring<br>
                          &gt; &gt;different words to describe roughly
                          the same thing. ICANN's current<br>
                          &gt; &gt;mission statement is empirically
                          incorrect; as a simple matter of fact,<br>
                          &gt; &gt;ICANN does not ³coordinate, at the
                          overall level, the global Internetıs<br>
                          &gt; &gt;system of unique identifiers.² Using
                          the same empirical standard, the<br>
                          &gt; &gt;alternatives (to this and other parts
                          of the mission statement) proposed<br>
                          &gt; &gt;by the IAB are factually accurate. On
                          that basis alone it seems obvious<br>
                          &gt; &gt;that the CCWG should prefer the IAB's
                          formulation to the one that stands<br>
                          &gt; &gt;in the current bylaws, or
                          alternatively should work with the IAB to<br>
                          &gt; &gt;develop and mutually agree upon more
                          accurate wording, and we recommend<br>
                          &gt; &gt;that it do so.<br>
                          &gt; &gt;<br>
                          &gt; &gt;- Lyman and Julie<br>
                          &gt; &gt;<br>
                          &gt; &gt;On Oct 30, 2015, at 5:04 PM, Burr,
                          Becky wrote:<br>
                          &gt; &gt;<br>
                          &gt; &gt;&gt; CCWG Members ­<br>
                          &gt; &gt;&gt;<span
                            class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>
                          &gt; &gt;&gt; The IAB has raised a significant
                          concern about the Mission Statement,<br>
                          &gt; &gt;&gt;which currently describes ICANNıs
                          role of coordinating the allocation<br>
                          &gt; &gt;&gt;and assignment of the DNSı unique
                          identifiers, including Protocol port<br>
                          &gt; &gt;&gt;and parameter numbers. As some of
                          you may recall, in early comments<br>
                          &gt; &gt;&gt;they suggested changing the word
                          ³coordination² to ³support.² WP2<br>
                          &gt; &gt;&gt;discussed this and declined to
                          modify the existing language in the<br>
                          &gt; &gt;&gt;Bylaws, but provided an
                          opportunity for the ASO, the Root Server<br>
                          &gt; &gt;&gt;community, and the port/parameter
                          community to provide their own<br>
                          &gt; &gt;&gt;description of what policy
                          ³coordination² would mean in each (i.e.,<br>
                          &gt; &gt;&gt;names, numbers, root servers,
                          protocol/parameters) context.<br>
                          &gt; &gt;&gt;<span
                            class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>
                          &gt; &gt;&gt; Andrew Sullivan, Chair of IAB,
                          has informed me that the IAB remains<br>
                          &gt; &gt;&gt;very concerned about the Mission
                          Statement. According to Andrew (on<br>
                          &gt; &gt;&gt;behalf of the IAB), ³the mission
                          statement (including the chapeau) is<br>
                          &gt; &gt;&gt;misleading, has caused us
                          problems in the past, and has been false at<br>
                          &gt; &gt;&gt;least since the end of the PSO
                          [Protocol Supporting Organization] and<br>
                          &gt; &gt;&gt;arguably before that. In
                          particular, according to the IAB, ³ICANN does<br>
                          &gt; &gt;&gt;not "coordinate, at the overall
                          level, the global Internet's systems of<br>
                          &gt; &gt;&gt;unique identifiers.²<br>
                          &gt; &gt;&gt;<span
                            class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>
                          &gt; &gt;&gt; This issue was discussed in the
                          Public Forum in Dublin, and Steve<br>
                          &gt; &gt;&gt;Crocker expressed support for
                          working to align ICANNıs description of<br>
                          &gt; &gt;&gt;its role in this area more
                          precisely:<br>
                          &gt; &gt;&gt;<span
                            class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>
                          &gt; &gt;&gt; ANDREW SULLIVAN: Hi, my name is
                          Andrew Sullivan. And I'm chair of the<br>
                          &gt; &gt;&gt;Internet Architecture Board. The
                          mission of ICANN currently has text<br>
                          &gt; &gt;&gt;that ICANN -- and I quote -- is
                          to coordinate at the overall level, the<br>
                          &gt; &gt;&gt;global Internet systems of unique
                          identifiers. End quote. That's not<br>
                          &gt; &gt;&gt;precisely true any more and
                          hasn't been at least since the protocol<br>
                          &gt; &gt;&gt;supporting organization
                          disappeared from ICANN. I'm wondering whether<br>
                          &gt; &gt;&gt;the Board is open to changing
                          this part of the mission since it's open<br>
                          &gt; &gt;&gt;anyway in the CCWG process?<br>
                          &gt; &gt;&gt;<span
                            class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>
                          &gt; &gt;&gt; STEVE CROCKER: I think I'm the
                          designated hitter here. Andrew, thank<br>
                          &gt; &gt;&gt;you very much. There's been a
                          somewhat uncomfortable disparity between<br>
                          &gt; &gt;&gt;some of the words that we use to
                          describe ourselves and some of the<br>
                          &gt; &gt;&gt;words that our close friends use
                          to describe us. We have -- and we've --<br>
                          &gt; &gt;&gt;some of us have been paying
                          attention for a while. The good news -- I<br>
                          &gt; &gt;&gt;think it's extremely good news --
                          is that over the last relatively short<br>
                          &gt; &gt;&gt;period of time, we have built a
                          much stronger technical team, step one.<br>
                          &gt; &gt;&gt;And step 2 is would are we have
                          actually got them connected to the<br>
                          &gt; &gt;&gt;communications process. Harder
                          than I would have liked it to have been.<br>
                          &gt; &gt;&gt;But it's now there. And it's been
                          one of these behind the scenes things<br>
                          &gt; &gt;&gt;of where we've been pressing. So
                          I think that, going forward, we're<br>
                          &gt; &gt;&gt;going to try to align our words
                          in a more careful way. There's always a<br>
                          &gt; &gt;&gt;lot of equities about how many
                          words you use to describe yourself which,<br>
                          &gt; &gt;&gt;you know. But I think some
                          greater precision and adjustment of the<br>
                          &gt; &gt;&gt;nuances is well in order.<br>
                          &gt; &gt;&gt;<span
                            class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>
                          &gt; &gt;&gt; The IAB has provided some
                          proposed text, which addresses the concerns<br>
                          &gt; &gt;&gt;of its members. I have attached a
                          side-by-side comparison of (1) the<br>
                          &gt; &gt;&gt;Existing Mission Statement; (2)
                          the current CCWG proposal; and (3) the<br>
                          &gt; &gt;&gt;IAB proposal. I should note that
                          the proposed changes appear to be more<br>
                          &gt; &gt;&gt;dramatic than they actually are.
                          Most of the changes reflect moving the<br>
                          &gt; &gt;&gt;language around. The substantive
                          changes include:<br>
                          &gt; &gt;&gt;<span
                            class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>
                          &gt; &gt;&gt;<span
                            class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>
                          &gt; &gt;&gt;<span
                            class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>
                          &gt; &gt;&gt; Current Bylaws/CCWG Proposal<br>
                          &gt; &gt;&gt;<span
                            class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>
                          &gt; &gt;&gt;<span
                            class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>
                          &gt; &gt;&gt; IAB Proposal<br>
                          &gt; &gt;&gt;<span
                            class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>
                          &gt; &gt;&gt;<span
                            class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>
                          &gt; &gt;&gt; ICANNıs mission is to
                          ³coordinate, at the overall level, the global<br>
                          &gt; &gt;&gt;Internetıs system of unique
                          identifiers²<br>
                          &gt; &gt;&gt;<span
                            class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>
                          &gt; &gt;&gt;<span
                            class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>
                          &gt; &gt;&gt; ICANNıs mission is to ³support,
                          at the overall level, core Internet<br>
                          &gt; &gt;&gt;registries²<br>
                          &gt; &gt;&gt;<span
                            class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>
                          &gt; &gt;&gt;<span
                            class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>
                          &gt; &gt;&gt; ICANN coordinates the allocation
                          and assignment of ³Domain Names<br>
                          &gt; &gt;&gt;(forming a system referred to as
                          ³DNS²)<br>
                          &gt; &gt;&gt;<span
                            class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>
                          &gt; &gt;&gt;<span
                            class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>
                          &gt; &gt;&gt; ICANN coordinates the allocation
                          and assignment of ³names in the root<br>
                          &gt; &gt;&gt;zone of the Domain Name System
                          (³DNS²)<br>
                          &gt; &gt;&gt;<span
                            class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>
                          &gt; &gt;&gt;<span
                            class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>
                          &gt; &gt;&gt; ICANN coordinates the
                          ³allocation and assignment of protocol port
                          and<br>
                          &gt; &gt;&gt;parameter numbers²<br>
                          &gt; &gt;&gt;<span
                            class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>
                          &gt; &gt;&gt;<span
                            class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>
                          &gt; &gt;&gt; ICANN ³collaborates with other
                          bodies as appropriate to publish core<br>
                          &gt; &gt;&gt;registries needed for the
                          functioning of the Internet.²<br>
                          &gt; &gt;&gt;<span
                            class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>
                          &gt; &gt;&gt;<span
                            class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>
                          &gt; &gt;&gt; As indicated above, a more
                          complete comparison is attached. Given the<br>
                          &gt; &gt;&gt;strength of the IABıs views on
                          this point, I thought it was important to<br>
                          &gt; &gt;&gt;raise this issue for discussion.<br>
                          &gt; &gt;&gt;<span
                            class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>
                          &gt; &gt;&gt; Becky<br>
                          &gt; &gt;&gt;<span
                            class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>
                          &gt; &gt;&gt; J. Beckwith Burr<br>
                          &gt; &gt;&gt; Deputy General Counsel &amp;
                          Chief Privacy Officer<br>
                          &gt; &gt;&gt;<span
                            class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>
                          &gt; &gt;&gt; &lt;IAB Proposed Mission
                          Statement Changes 30<br>
                          &gt;
                          &gt;&gt;October.pdf&gt;_______________________________________________<br>
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