<div dir="ltr"><div>Dear Chris,</div><div>Tks for your immediate search.</div><div>WHat we are dealing here is not to interprete GAC Torento advice.</div><div>Perhaps we may need to concentrate to what we are doing in 2015.Regards</div><div>Kavouss </div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2015-10-31 23:01 GMT+01:00 Carlos Raul <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:carlosraulg@gmail.com" target="_blank">carlosraulg@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Dear James,<div><br></div><div>based on my own past experience, and under the previous GAC Chair, the guidance was not under the GACs operating principles as such, but case by case based the question if the issue had a specific "public interest" aspect. </div><div><br></div><div>And since "public interest" is even harder to tell (and is the matter of another initiative), over the last 2 years the GNSO Council has developed two lines of cooperation with the GAC, one the GNSO-GAC permanent working group (excuse my memory here for the exact name), as well as the early engagement in pdp policy development processes as you may know from the Council.</div><div><br></div><div>I personally tend to like a <b>relative</b> definition of "public interest" in terms of accountability of regulators, instead of the <b>absolute</b> one a lot of people in ICANN love to dream around and keep searching for a holly grail. </div><div><br></div><div>I keep in my mind a pretty easy one, from the long-lived handbook of public utility regulators by a Georgetown University Professor Scott Hempling, which may or may not survive the internet age:</div><div><br></div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 40px;padding:0px;border:currentColor"><div><u style="color:rgb(0,0,255);font-weight:bold">The effective (<i>and accountable</i>) regulator (1) defines the public interest, (2) identifies the private interest that could undermine that public interest, and then (3) shapes regulation to align private behavior with the public interest</u><font color="#000000">. </font></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Easy, isn´t it???? </div><div><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><span style="text-transform:none;line-height:normal;text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;font-family:"Times New Roman";font-variant:normal;word-spacing:0px;white-space:normal;border-collapse:separate"><span style="font-family:arial"><b style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:small;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal"><font size="4">Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez</font></b></span></span></div><div dir="ltr"><font color="#000000" face="arial" size="2"><a href="tel:%2B506%208837%207176" target="_blank" value="+50688377176">+506 8837 7176</a></font></div><div><font color="#000000" face="arial"><font size="2">Skype carlos.raulg</font><br></font><span style="text-transform:none;line-height:normal;text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;font-family:"Times New Roman";font-variant:normal;word-spacing:0px;white-space:normal;border-collapse:separate"><span style="font-family:arial"><div style="font-size:small;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal">_________<div style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">Apartado 1571-1000</div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><b>COSTA RICA</b></div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br></div></div></span></span></div></div></div></div></div><div><div class="h5">
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 10:03 AM, James M. Bladel <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jbladel@godaddy.com" target="_blank">jbladel@godaddy.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid">
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<div>For my own clarification & understanding, can you (or any other GAC participants) provide examples of a current/recent topic that would NOT be subject to GAC advice, under its Operating Principles? Sometimes the exceptions help to define the boundaries
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<span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span><<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a>> on behalf of "<a href="mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch" target="_blank">Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch</a>"
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<span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Friday, October 30, 2015 at 3:06 <br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span>"<a href="mailto:Bruce.Tonkin@melbourneit.com.au" target="_blank">Bruce.Tonkin@melbourneit.com.au</a>" <<a href="mailto:Bruce.Tonkin@melbourneit.com.au" target="_blank">Bruce.Tonkin@melbourneit.com.au</a>>, "<a href="mailto:tracyhackshaw@gmail.com" target="_blank">tracyhackshaw@gmail.com</a>"
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<span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Definition of public policy advice from the GAC<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-size:11pt">It is always useful to have a look at our governing docs, for instance the GAC OP (attached) and the following extract:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-size:11pt">ICANN’s decision making should take into account public policy objectives including, among other things:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-size:11pt">• secure, reliable and affordable functioning of the Internet, including uninterrupted service and universal connectivity;<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-size:11pt">• the robust development of the Internet, in the interest of the public good, for government, private, educational, and
commercial purposes, world wide;<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</span><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-size:11pt">• transparency and non---discriminatory practices in ICANN’s role in the allocation of Internet names and address;<u></u><u></u></span></p><div><div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-size:11pt">• effective competition at all appropriate levels of activity and conditions for fair competition, which will bring benefits
to all categories of users including, greater choice, lower prices, and better services;<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-size:11pt">• fair information practices, including respect for personal privacy and issues of consumer concern;<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-size:11pt">• freedom of expression.”<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-size:11pt">Regards<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<b>Im Auftrag von </b>Bruce Tonkin<br>
<b>Gesendet:</b> Freitag, 30. Oktober 2015 07:15<br>
<b>An:</b> Tracy F. Hackshaw @ Google <<a href="mailto:tracyhackshaw@gmail.com" target="_blank">tracyhackshaw@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org" target="_blank">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Betreff:</b> Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Definition of public policy advice from the GAC<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks Tracy this is very helpful.<br>
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On 30 Oct 2015, at 11:36 AM, Tracy F. Hackshaw @ Google <<a href="mailto:tracyhackshaw@gmail.com" target="_blank">tracyhackshaw@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">While I can't speak for the GAC on this, as a GAC member, and as a former student of the topic, I can provide my understanding based on my role in my country's Government if that might be helpful.
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<p class="MsoNormal">In my country, and in many parts of the world, the term, Public Policy is not used. In many countries (as in mine) Public Policy = National Policy.
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<p class="MsoNormal">Public or National Policy <b><u>IS NOT EQUIVALENT</u></b> to National Law, however, it is the key and normally most critical <b><u>precursor</u></b> to the development of legislation in the Government law making process. If we were to stretch
the concept somewhat, we can say that National Law (when promulgated) forms a key element - but still a subset - of Public or National Policy.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">In summary and simply, Public or National Policy is a Government's statement of direction - usually with clearly stated objectives and deliverables - on a particular area or series of areas - that is intended to be reflective of that country's
(citizens') norms, attitudes, cultures and values; and further, to be implemented (and regulated and enforced, where applicable) by a country's various institutions primarily consisting of the Executive, the Legislature and the Judiciary. As a rule of thumb,
National Policies should be developed through extensive consultation with a country's stakeholders over a significant period of time and several iterations of National Policy are to be expected before becoming "final" (and potentially leading to legislation).
In other cases, National Policy is time limited and subject to periodic cycles of consultative redrafting and review - with potential attendant changes to related laws and regulations.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Public or National Policy is intended to be reflective of, and protective of, what has often been termed as the "Public Interest".<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Of course, the above leads to the obvious issue - in the GAC, given that there are now over 150 members, what is/can be considered "public policy" advice?<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">You will appreciate therefore the delicate and deliberate efforts at consensus building in the GAC in issuing "public policy" advice.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 29 October 2015 at 18:23, Bruce Tonkin <<a href="mailto:Bruce.Tonkin@melbourneit.com.au" target="_blank">Bruce.Tonkin@melbourneit.com.au</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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I note that in the bylaws the GAC has a role in providing "public policy" advice to ICANN.<br>
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Does the GAC have a working definition of what this means? Is there a UN standard definition of some sort?<br>
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and I must admit I have never fully understand the term.<br>
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I had originally expected that the GAC would provide advice on national laws and international treaties as it relates to ICANN.<br>
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I can understand that each country may have "policies" that are perhaps written documents and may vary by which government is in power at the time. E.g. a national government may have a written immigration policy or a foreign trade policy etc. These policies
presumably have been approved by one or more Government ministers, and would generally be public.<br>
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Not sure how the GAC provides advice on "public policy" - should there be some sort of written national policies that support such advice?<br>
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e.g. ICANN policies are documented, approved by the Board, and made public.<br>
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Thanks,<br>
Bruce Tonkin<br>
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