<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">I agree with Eric&#39;s closing statement: &quot;<span style="font-size:12.8px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">If I may, I suggest replacing sweeping language with specific language, or less non-specific language.&quot;</span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12.8px;font-family:arial,sans-serif"><br></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12.8px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">The &quot;nits&quot; that Eric picks show the problem with using the term &quot;regulation,&quot; since much of what ICANN does can be deemed &quot;regulation,&quot; depending on how you (reasonably) define it.</span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12.8px;font-family:arial,sans-serif"><br></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12.8px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">I have no problem with trying to &quot;appease&quot; ISPs, as long as it doesn&#39;t have negative consequences to ICANN&#39;s mission.</span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12.8px;font-family:arial,sans-serif"><br></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12.8px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">(I do have big problems with calling any of what we&#39;re trying to do &quot;appeasement.&quot;  This is multistakeholder give-and-take, and in a sense everyone&#39;s looking for &quot;appeasement,&quot; which is just a nasty way of saying that an outcome has been achieved that meets the concerns of stakeholder group(s).)</span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12.8px;font-family:arial,sans-serif"><br></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12.8px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">Greg</span></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 5:09 PM, Eric Brunner-Williams <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:ebw@abenaki.wabanaki.net" target="_blank">ebw@abenaki.wabanaki.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
  
    
  
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    <div>Becky,<br>
      <br>
      As a preamble, I want to mention that content, whatever sluices
      between edge nodes (users at their computers, or watches) and
      clusters of ad revenue sharing content delivery engines, is not
      our policing problem. The resolutions of names to addresses, is
      however.  <br>
      <br>
      If I may, I&#39;d like to pick a nit. You wrote: &quot;no authority to
      regulate ISPs, or to use its authority over registries and
      registrars to do so indirectly.&quot;<br>
      <br>
      First, could we narrow what it is we&#39;re not regulating, ISPs do a
      lot of things, but one thing they can do is operate recursive
      resolvers, so in particular, the &quot;no authority to regulate&quot; means
      no means to ensure continuous correct resolution of domain names
      by ISPs.<br>
      <br>
      More generally, it means that any protocol designed to provide
      end-to-end semantics, such as digital signature or cookie policy
      (something I worked on in the W3C&#39;s P3P work early this century)
      guarantees of continuous, correctness can be exploited as a
      business model, and those business models that falsify DNS lookups
      have no liabilities, no costs, for doing so. Another means of
      describing such a system is one with &quot;a man or woman in the
      middle&quot;, generally not a helpful man or woman. More of a
      pickpocket or cutpurse.<br>
      <br>
      Next, still nit picking, I want to point out that currently the
      provisioning of third-parties with registry and registrar data is
      not unconditional. When I ask for access to VGRS&#39;s bulk data I
      have to fill out more then just a pro forma, when I ask for access
      to GoDaddy&#39;s bulk data again there are questions to answer and
      promises to make. I think just about everyone (contracted parties)
      has a TERMS OF USE paragraph in their WHOIS boilerplate.<br>
      <br>
      So, we currently have ICANN using &quot;its authority over registries
      and registrars to do&quot; something limiting third-party access to and
      republication of data held by contracted parties, and we have at
      least a history, in SSAC032 and its prior work product on
      synthetic return.<br>
      <br>
      Both are obsoleted by the sweeping prohibition language.<br>
      <br>
      If I may, I suggest replacing sweeping language with specific
      language, or less non-specific language.<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
      <br>
      Eric Brunner-Williams<br>
      Eugene, Oregon</font></span><div><div class="h5"><br>
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      On 11/6/15 9:30 AM, Burr, Becky wrote:<br>
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            All:  At the risk of causing a riot, I confess that am
            getting increasingly concerned that we are confusing
            ourselves (and possibly the bylaws) by trying to include and
            explain the prohibition on regulation of services that use
            the Internet’s unique identifiers or the content that such
            services carry or provide.  Perhaps we would be better off
            relying on a clear Mission statement and enhanced
            accountability mechanisms to prevent mission creep? I could
            certainly make the argument, based on the proposed mission
            statement, that ICANN has no authority to regulate ISPs, or
            to use its authority over registries and registrars to do so
            indirectly.  (Please note, ICANN’s Bylaws currently
            authorize ICANN to enter into contracts.  See  Article XV,
            Section 1).  </div>
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          <div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:14px">
            Should we discuss this approach?  The report language on
            ICANN’s Mission Statement, reflecting the recent changes to
            address IAB/IETF concerns, would then read:</div>
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              <div><font face="Calibri,sans-serif"><br>
                </font></div>
              <div><font face="Calibri,sans-serif">The Mission of The
                  Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers
                  (&quot;ICANN&quot;) is to ensure the stable and secure operation
                  of the Internet&#39;s unique identifier systems in the
                  ways described below.  Specifically, ICANN:</font></div>
              <div><font face="Calibri,sans-serif"><br>
                </font></div>
              <div><font face="Calibri,sans-serif">1.  Coordinates the
                  allocation and assignment of names in the root zone of
                  the Domain Name System (&quot;DNS&quot;). In this role, ICANN’s
                  Mission is to coordinate the development and
                  implementation of policies:</font></div>
              <div><font face="Calibri,sans-serif"><br>
                </font></div>
              <div><font face="Calibri,sans-serif">•<span style="white-space:pre-wrap">
</span>For which uniform or coordinated resolution is reasonably
                  necessary to facilitate the openness,
                  interoperability, resilience, security and/or
                  stability of the DNS; and</font></div>
              <div><font face="Calibri,sans-serif"><br>
                </font></div>
              <div><font face="Calibri,sans-serif">•<span style="white-space:pre-wrap">
</span>That are developed through a bottom-up, consensus-based multi-
                  stakeholder process and designed to ensure the stable
                  and secure operation of the Internet’s unique names
                  systems.</font></div>
              <div><font face="Calibri,sans-serif"><br>
                </font></div>
              <div><font face="Calibri,sans-serif">2.  Coordinates the
                  operation and evolution of the DNS root name server
                  system. In this role, ICANN’s Mission is to [to be
                  provided by root server operators].</font></div>
              <div><font face="Calibri,sans-serif"><br>
                </font></div>
              <div><font face="Calibri,sans-serif">3.  Coordinates the
                  allocation and assignment at the top-most</font></div>
              <div><font face="Calibri,sans-serif">level of Internet
                  Protocol (&quot;IP&quot;) and Autonomous System (&quot;AS&quot;) numbers.
                  ICANN’s Mission is described in the ASO MoU between
                  ICANN and RIRs.</font></div>
              <div><font face="Calibri,sans-serif"><br>
                </font></div>
              <div><font face="Calibri,sans-serif">4.  Collaborates with
                  other bodies as appropriate to publish core registries
                  needed for the functioning of the Internet. In this
                  role, with respect to protocol ports and parameters,
                  ICANN&#39;s Mission is to provide registration services
                  and open access for registries in the public domain
                  requested by Internet protocol development
                  organizations, such as the Internet Engineering Task
                  Force.</font></div>
              <div><font face="Calibri,sans-serif"><br>
                </font></div>
              <div><font face="Calibri,sans-serif">ICANN shall act
                  strictly in accordance with, and only as reasonably
                  appropriate to achieve its Mission.
                  <strike><font color="#ff0000">Without in any way
                      limiting the foregoing absolute prohibition, ICANN
                      shall not regulate services that use the
                      Internet&#39;s unique identifiers, or the content that
                      such services carry or provide. ICANN shall have
                      the ability to enforce agreements with contracted
                      parties, subject to established means of community
                      input on those agreements and reasonable checks
                      and balances on its ability to impose obligations
                      exceeding ICANN’s Mission on registries and
                      registrars.</font></strike> </font></div>
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