<div dir="ltr"><div><div>Hi Alan,<br><br></div>I am not sure whether that was a response to my comment, just incase it is. The extreme scenario you pose is the reason why I suggested setting minimum number of SO/AC required to even consider support or against in the first place. I recognize the difference between those that don't want to participate at all (like the SSAC) compare to those who may participate but may not use the power often (like GAC). My suggestion is to address both scenario should incase SSAC change its mind in future and should incase GAC wants to use the power.<br><br></div><div>So if minimum of 4 SO/AC is set as the required threshold before consensus level is observed then the fear of one AC/SO exercising power would be out of it. I think we need to agree on what minimum number of SO/AC is worthy of executing the community powers if others don't want to participate.<br><br></div><div>Regards<br></div><div><br></div>Regards<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 11:51 AM, Alan Greenberg <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca" target="_blank">alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div>There is a huge difference between an AC/SO that has explicitly said it will not participate at all and one that decides to not state a position on exercising a power in a particular instance. The latter IS participating by neither supporting nor opposing the action. Without sufficient ACTIVE support, the action dies.<br>
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<p dir="ltr">Hi,</p>
<p dir="ltr">I think lowering the threshold may still bring us to a deadlock since we are not always certain whether all will participate at any point in time. Allowing splitting votes is out of discussion as we have agreed to go by consensus.</p>
<p dir="ltr">Option 2 IMO seem to be a good thing to explore further and in order to ensure that is not abused, an overall minimum total number of participating SO/AC should be set. So if that minimum is not achieved then there is no need to check those in support or against. I think a minimum number of 4 may be in order.<br>
That will ensure that percentage is not used on say 3 participating SO/AC or less. </p>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On 9 Nov 2015 22:57, "Schaefer, Brett" <<a href="mailto:Brett.Schaefer@heritage.org" target="_blank">Brett.Schaefer@heritage.org</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">If the model that we are discussing is unworkable under a fairly realistic eventuality that seems to be a critical problem.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">In my opinion, it requires consideration of: (1) lowering the thresholds to three if there are only four participating entities; (2) shifting minimum thresholds
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<b>Sent:</b> Monday, November 09, 2015 4:46 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Schaefer, Brett<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Accountability Cross Community; <a href="mailto:wp1@icann.org" target="_blank">wp1@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [WP1] Updated Memo on Request on Sole Designator<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Such matrices of decision are not being drafted. If you are able to attend the call in around ~15 hours, I think it would be useful to talk this through. As I've said before, if we are down to four SO/ACs participating, to my mind that's
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 10 November 2015 at 08:34, Schaefer, Brett <<a href="mailto:Brett.Schaefer@heritage.org" target="_blank">Brett.Schaefer@heritage.org</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I appreciate the explanation provided in the memo.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">However, I note that the decision matrix remains unchanged in that it requires support from 4 SOs/ACs
to exercise powers 1, 2, 5, and 7. The operating assumption is that GNSO, ccNSO, ASO, and ALAC will participate. I believe that they will, but it would be good to get confirmation even with the knowledge that such a statement should not be considered an endorsement
of the CCWG proposal. </span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Also, as we discussed in the previous CCWG WP1 call, there is a possible complication if RSSAC, as
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">In that case, unanimous support by the 4 SOs/ACs assumed above to participate would be required in
order to exercise powers 1,2, 5, and 7. I don’t think that unanimous support was supposed to be required for exercise of the community powers. </span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Until we have confirmation of which SOs and ACs (other than SSAC which has explicitly stated its
intention not to participate) will be participating in the mechanism, we need to plan out possible scenarios. For this reason, I think we need to provide decision matrices based on varying levels of participation. Is this being drafted?
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<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, November 08, 2015 5:51 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Accountability Cross Community; <a href="mailto:wp1@icann.org" target="_blank">
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [WP1] Updated Memo on Request on Sole Designator</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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Date: 7 November 2015 at 13:48<br>
Subject: Updated Memo on Request on Sole Designator<u></u><u></u></p>
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