<div dir="ltr">... or, should it stay in the ST-WP, where all this has been done so far?<div><br></div><div>[my preference would be in ST-WP]</div><div><br></div><div>J</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 10 November 2015 at 07:09, Jordan Carter <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jordan@internetnz.net.nz" target="_blank">jordan@internetnz.net.nz</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">All - do we need a WP1 call to discuss this? We could squeeze one in and have it ready for debate at CCWG on Friday?<div><br></div><div>Jordan</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div class="h5">On 10 November 2015 at 03:48, Steve DelBianco <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:sdelbianco@netchoice.org" target="_blank">sdelbianco@netchoice.org</a>></span> wrote:<br></div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div class="h5">
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<div>Thank-you Pedro for picking-up this discussion after Dublin.</div>
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<div>Speaking only for myself, I am optimistic that CCWG might agree to apply the same condition for advice from
<u>all</u> Advisory Committees. What about a general Advisory Committee amendment along these lines, without singling-out the GAC?</div>
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<blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 40px;border:none;padding:0px">For any Advisory Committee where the Board is required to seek a mutually acceptable solution if the Board does not follow that Committee’s advice, the Board should not be required to
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<div>Second, regarding your additional request to require more than 2/3 majority vote for the board to reject GAC advice. That has not been discussed in the CCWG, and would be regarded as a bid to enhance the weight of GAC’s advice. </div>
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<div>I believe that a new +2/3 rule would have to be balanced — by a requirement that any such GAC advice was adopted in the absence of any formal objection. As you know, this is the GAC’s present rule for decision-making, so this does not impose any change
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<div>Finally, we’re interested to know the GAC’s reaction to the rationale we provided for Stress Test 18 in Dublin. I’ve attached revised text for ST 18 that reflects the updated rationale, as approved by Stress Test working party (before Dublin) This text
makes no mention of government ‘capture’ and removes the offending language (with my apologies, once again). </div>
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<div>Am looking forward to seeing you at IGF and welcome additional exchanges of ideas there.</div>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span><<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a>> on behalf of Pedro Ivo Ferraz da Silva <<a href="mailto:pedro.ivo@itamaraty.gov.br" target="_blank">pedro.ivo@itamaraty.gov.br</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Monday, November 9, 2015 at 11:28 AM<br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span>"<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org" target="_blank">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org" target="_blank">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>[CCWG-ACCT] Stress Test 18: bylaw amendment suggestion<br>
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<p><span style="font-size:12.000000pt;font-family:'Calibri'">"<i>The discussions on Stress Test 18 have helped the GAC to have a better understanding of the different views on the issue. In assessing the different rationales presented so far related to Stress
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<p><span style="font-size:12.000000pt;font-family:'Calibri'"><i>The need that each and every Advisory Committee ensures that the advice provided is clear and reflects the consensus view of the Committee;
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<p><span style="font-size:12.000000pt;font-family:'Calibri'"><i>The need that each and every Advisory Committee should preserve its own autonomy in its definition of consensus;
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<p><span style="font-size:12.000000pt;font-family:'Calibri'"><i>The value the Board attributes to receiving consensus advice;
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<p><span style="font-size:12.000000pt;font-family:'Calibri'"><i>The recommendation of the BGRI WG, as reiterated by the ATRT2, to set the threshold
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<p><span style="font-size:12.000000pt;font-family:'Calibri'"><i>for the ICANN Board to reject GAC advice to a 2/3 majority voting, consistent with the threshold established for rejection of ccNSO and GNSO PDP recommendations.</i></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:12.000000pt;font-family:'Calibri'"><i>In view of the above, having considered concerns expressed by various parties, the GAC agreed to further work on the issue of Stress Test 18, and to submit any further input to the CCWG taking
into account the timelines of the CCWG. GAC Members will continue to work within the CCWG to finalise the proposal for enhancing ICANN accountability.</i>" </span></p>
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<span lang="en-US" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">the aim of addressing the input given by the GAC in its ICANN 54 communiqué and the original concerns expressed by the ST18 proponents, I
</span><span lang="en-US" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">present for your consideration the following alternative amendments (</span><span lang="en-US" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><b><u>underlined</u></b></span><span lang="en-US" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">)
in ICANN bylaws. </span></div>
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to those set forth in this Article. Advisory Committee membership may consist of Directors only, Directors and non-directors, or non-directors only, and may also include non-voting or alternate members. Advisory Committees shall have no legal authority to
act for ICANN, but shall report their findings and recommendations to the Board.</i></span></font></span></font></div>
<div align="justify" style="font-size:medium;margin:0px"><font face="Calibri,sans-serif" size="2"><span style="font-size:11pt"><font size="4" color="black"><span lang="en-US" style="font-size:16pt"><b><i><u>Where the ICANN Board is obliged to pay due deference
to advice from Advisory Committees and where that advice, if not followed, requires finding mutually agreed solutions for implementation of that advice, the Advisory Committee will make every effort to ensure that the advice provided is clear and reflects
the consensus view of the committee. In this context, each Advisory Committee has the right to determine its particular definition of consensus.</u></i></b></span></font><font size="4" color="black"><span lang="en-US" style="font-size:16pt"><i><u>” </u></i></span></font></span></font></div>
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<div align="justify" style="font-size:medium;margin:0px"><font face="Calibri,sans-serif" size="2"><span style="font-size:11pt"><font size="4" color="black"><span lang="en-US" style="font-size:16pt"><b><i>Section 2. SPECIFIC ADVISORY COMMITTEES</i></b></span></font></span></font></div>
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shall be duly taken into account, both in the formulation and adoption of policies. In the event that the ICANN Board determines to take an action that is not consistent with the Governmental Advisory Committee advice, it shall so inform the Committee and
state the reasons why it decided not to follow that advice. </i></span></font><font size="4" color="black"><span lang="en-US" style="font-size:16pt"><b><i><u>Any GAC Advice approved by a GAC consensus may only be rejected by a vote of more than two-thirds
(2/3) of the Board.</u></i></b></span></font><font size="4" color="black"><span lang="en-US" style="font-size:16pt"><i> </i></span></font><font size="4" color="black"><span lang="en-US" style="font-size:16pt"><i>The Governmental Advisory Committee and the
ICANN Board will then try, in good faith and in a timely and efficient manner, to find a mutually acceptable solution.”</i></span></font><font face="Tahoma,sans-serif" size="2" color="black"><span lang="en-US" style="font-size:10pt"><i></i></span></font></span></font></div>
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<div><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:small">Kind regards,</span></div>
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