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<div>I share Keith’s confusion. Just where are we?</div>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span><Drazek>, Keith Drazek <<a href="mailto:kdrazek@verisign.com">kdrazek@verisign.com</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Thursday, November 12, 2015 at 10:00 AM<br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span>Greg Shatan <<a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>>, Malcolm Hutty <<a href="mailto:malcolm@linx.net">malcolm@linx.net</a>><br>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Attempt to summarize discussion regarding Mission and Contract<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Apologies, but is this where we left off on the wordsmithing? Is Milton correct that we’re closer than I thought? Is it just a matter of resolving
the definition around “services?”<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Keith<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;">
<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org">accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a> [<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org">mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Greg Shatan<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, November 11, 2015 2:11 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Malcolm Hutty<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Accountability Cross Community<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Attempt to summarize discussion regarding Mission and Contract<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">I'm not looking for a technical definition -- rather a practical definition. Actually, I asked for examples, so a definition may not be necessary, as long as the examples offer sufficient
clarity.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">It's important that when the CCWG/Commenters/SOs/ACs/etc. look at the word "services" (or the word services plus some exemplars), they all see the same thing. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">Otherwise, we are like "The Six Blind Men and the Elephant" (apologies for culturally-specific, archaic and politically incorrect reference; please note as a counterbalance that I am a member
of the CCWG-Accessibility, seeking to improve web access (and ICANN access) for people with disabilities). <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 2:05 PM, Malcolm Hutty <<a href="mailto:malcolm@linx.net" target="_blank">malcolm@linx.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">On 11/11/2015 18:33, Greg Shatan wrote:<br>
> Malcolm,<br>
><br>
> Thanks for your reply. I took those terms from an email you wrote, but<br>
> clearly did not apply it quite correctly. It's critically important to<br>
> get clarity here, and drilling down and getting concrete examples is<br>
> extremely helpful.<br>
><br>
> What are a few examples of what you mean when you say "web service" and<br>
> "other services"?<br>
<br>
<br>
On 11/11/2015 18:55, Greg Shatan wrote:<br>
> I am trying to get to a concrete and shared understanding of what this<br>
> proposal means when it says "services." Based on the varying responses<br>
> in this and earlier threads, we're not there yet.<br>
<br>
I can't see my stumbling attempts to provide a technical definition<br>
helping this discussion. I'll write to you privately.<br>
<br>
Perhaps Andrew can do better than me, or point us to a formal definition<br>
of a service? Has the IETF produced such a thing?<o:p></o:p></p>
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