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<div>Like many, I have completely lost track of this thread, particularly since many messages are arriving out-of-sequence. Not sure if this this the best place to jump in, but here goes: I do not support the inclusion of the terms “Registries” or “Registrars”
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<div>We are entering a new era of vertical integration between & among a wide variety of service providers. Some of these commercial activities are subject to ICANN governance, others are not. </div>
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<div>We have a hard enough time defining these terms in our own Stakeholder Group Charter(s), so I don’t recommend transplanting that mess here.</div>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span><<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org">accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a>> on behalf of "Silver, Bradley" <<a href="mailto:Bradley.Silver@timewarner.com">Bradley.Silver@timewarner.com</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Friday, November 13, 2015 at 7:46 <br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span>Edward Morris <<a href="mailto:egmorris1@toast.net">egmorris1@toast.net</a>>, "Mueller, Milton L" <<a href="mailto:milton@gatech.edu">milton@gatech.edu</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Cc: </span>Accountability Cross Community <<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Attempt to summarize discussion regarding Mission and Contract<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Thanks Milton and Ed -
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Doesn’t calling our registries and registrars get us back into the problem area of whether activities such as the accreditation of Privacy & Proxy
services is in breach of the no-regulation clause? I had thought the goal of the draft Greg circulated was to describe the specific processes that ICANN would stay clear of imposing regulation on (the distinction being that “services” is not meant to describe
entities, but rather a certain type of activity). <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Also, the change the second bullet does not provide the clarity that is needed – it essentially makes it a narrower way saying what the first sentence
says. The point of the contractual language was to clarify that the first bullet would not impede ICANN’s furtherance of its mission via contractual agreements. I think flipping it around doesn’t give the necessary guidance and clarity.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">These are important distinctions, but I think a good step towards finding agreement on language that could satisfy broad interests.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Bradley
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;">
<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org">accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a> [<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org">mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Edward Morris<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, November 13, 2015 6:24 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Mueller, Milton L<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Accountability Cross Community<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Attempt to summarize discussion regarding Mission and Contract<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The revised language is a bit clearer and based more on general principle than on specific technology. We're building a governing construct for the future ICANN regardless of where technology takes us. Milton's proposed language better
allows us to carry these general principles forward regardless of any changes to base technology that ICANN might encounter or need to adapt to. <o:p></o:p></p>
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On Nov 13, 2015, at 2:45 AM, Mueller, Milton L <<a href="mailto:milton@gatech.edu">milton@gatech.edu</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">I think with some modifications to your proposed text we can find widespread agreement. Here is how I would modify your proposal:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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achieve its Mission. Without limiting the foregoing:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; color: black;">services which use the Internet’s unique identifiers</span><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> but are not registries
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<span style="font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; color: black;">ICANN shall have the ability to enter into and enforce agreements with contracted parties,
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<span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Explanation:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto"><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">“information services” is a simpler and more generic way to describe what we you are referring to and has a long regulatory history.
As others noted before, it is dangerous to try to get too technologically specific. What we need to do here is carve out an exception to the regulation band for registries and registrars, which ICANN can and does regulate in accord with its mission.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto"><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">The second point, pertaining to enforcing contracts, puts in clearer and more restrictive language. Rather than “in furtherance of’
its mission I proposed “consistent with” its mission. One might claim that many ancillary activities might “further” ICANN’s mission in some way; it is more precise to ask that ICANN’s activities be “consistent” with its mission.
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 3:24 PM, Burr, Becky <<a href="mailto:Becky.Burr@neustar.biz" target="_blank">Becky.Burr@neustar.biz</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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