<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>Hi Greg,</div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default"><font color="#000000"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">For example, can Justin Bieber start a petition in the GNSO to remove Bruce Tonkin?</span></font></div></div></blockquote><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br></div>I think this is very unlikely as I understand Justin is a huge fan of Bruce and has all his records....</div><div id="AppleMailSignature">đ<br>Chris </div><div><br>On 14 Nov 2015, at 04:01, Greg Shatan <<a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">A few quick comments, since that's all there's time for under this plan. I was only able to review my prior comments against this draft; no time for a full read.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">1. Page 11: Petition Process: Is it clear that any individual, regardless of affiliation can begin a petition in any AC/SO for every power? Even removing that AC/SO's appointed director? For example, can Justin Bieber start a petition in the GNSO to remove Bruce Tonkin? If that is what we agreed to, never mind. It just strikes me as odd, and I haven't seen it expressed this way before. (I think we used the passive voice before, which did not identify the "actor" or any limitation on their identity or affiliation.)</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">2. Page 13: Enforcement Section: This section states that the Community has two options -- (1) mediation/IRP or (2) remove entire Board. This is wrong. The Community also has the option to remove some directors and leave others in place, if the Community beleved that would be sufficient to change the outcome. This would be less disruptive than total recall. I'm concerned that failing to mention this option makes our proposal look too "nuclear" and incapable of nuance.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">3. Page 14-15: There are inconsistent descriptions of the ICANN Bylaws. The one at the top of page 14 says that "ICANN Bylaws describe how power is exercised in ICANN...." That might be good if we were engaging in social theory (in which case, the word "hegemony" needs to appear at least once in our document), but we just need a generic description of the purpose of bylaws. The middle of page 15 contains just a description which should be used here as well.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">4. Page 22: Draft Bylaw on Human Rights. I don't understand why there is underlining here. It should be removed.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Finally, I generally support the treatment of the items that are in flux, but I am hopeful that at least one of them can be "un-fluxed" before this is published....</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Greg</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Nov 13, 2015 at 9:57 AM, Mathieu Weill <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mathieu.weill@afnic.fr" target="_blank">mathieu.weill@afnic.fr</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang="FR" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Dear Sabine, <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I think that this is version issue. The version of the document you are referencing is the incorrect one. <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Indeed, it was part of the transparency issues mentioned in Dublin and, during the CCWG call #65 we specifically discussed the item (see the slides here : <a href="https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/56144581/WP2%20Issues%202%20Nov%202015.pdf?version=1&modificationDate=1446529282000&api=v2" target="_blank">https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/56144581/WP2%20Issues%202%20Nov%202015.pdf?version=1&modificationDate=1446529282000&api=v2</a>) and acknowledged that there we had received several requests to address this issue in WS2. <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Thank you for raising this consistency issue. <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Best,<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Mathieu<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">De :</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> <a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a>] <b>De la part de</b> <a href="mailto:Sabine.Meyer@bmwi.bund.de" target="_blank">Sabine.Meyer@bmwi.bund.de</a><br><b>EnvoyĂ© :</b> vendredi 13 novembre 2015 15:01<br><b>Ă :</b> <a href="mailto:turcotte.bernard@gmail.com" target="_blank">turcotte.bernard@gmail.com</a><br><b>Cc :</b> <a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org" target="_blank">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a><br><b>Objet :</b> Re: [CCWG-ACCT] CCWG - Draft Update document for CCWG call<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><div><div class="h5"><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><a name="151015b2cb300167__MailEndCompose"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Dear Bernard,</span></a><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">thank you for updating and re-sending the draft!<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">To my understanding, the list of WS2 items on p 29 does not yet reflect the current status of discussions if indeed the latest version is the following: </span><span lang="DE"><a href="https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/50823981/AJed%2020151026%20Items%20for%20Consideration%20in%20Work%20Stream%202.pdf?version=1&modificationDate=1446576372000&api=v2" target="_blank"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/50823981/AJed%2020151026%20Items%20for%20Consideration%20in%20Work%20Stream%202.pdf?version=1&modificationDate=1446576372000&api=v2</span></a></span><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">In that case, âICANNâs interaction with governmentsâ is currently not part of the draft.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Thank you for considering this.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Kind regards<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Sabine Meyer<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">International Digital and Postal Policy, Internet Governance<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Federal Ministry for Economic Affairs and Energy <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Villemombler Strasse 76, 53123 Bonn<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">GERMANY<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Phone: <a href="tel:%2B49%20228%2099615-2948" value="+49228996152948" target="_blank">+49 228 99615-2948</a><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Fax: <a href="tel:%2B%2049%20228%2099615-2964" value="+49228996152964" target="_blank">+ 49 228 99615-2964</a><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">E-Mail: </span><span lang="DE"><a href="mailto:sabine.meyer@bmwi.bund.de" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">sabine.meyer@bmwi.bund.de</span></a></span><span lang="DE" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Internet: </span><span lang="DE"><a href="http://www.bmwi.de/" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">http://www.bmwi.de</span></a></span><span lang="DE" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="DE" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Von:</span></b><span lang="DE" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> <a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a>] <b>Im Auftrag von </b>Bernard Turcotte<br><b>Gesendet:</b> Freitag, 13. November 2015 00:04<br><b>An:</b> Accountability Cross Community<br><b>Betreff:</b> [CCWG-ACCT] CCWG - Draft Update document for CCWG call<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE">All,<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE">As per Mathieu's email of earlier today please find the draft Proposal Update document which will be discussed at the next CCWG meeting.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE">The document is going to professional formatting as we speak - so any issues of layout, fonts etc. will be addressed by a specialist.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE">This document also represents a consideration of all the comments received with respect to the previous version - not that all of these were accepted, but a majority were taken on.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE">We apologize for the lateness of the document, but as you will notice we have put significant efforts into recasting this per the comments.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE">Bernard Turcotte<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE">ICANN Staff Support for the CCWG<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE">for the CCWG Co-chairs.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div><br>_______________________________________________<br>
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