<html><head><base href="x-msg://8261/"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">I'm in. Thanks.<div><br></div><div>Robin</div><div><br><div><div>On Nov 14, 2015, at 6:09 AM, Stephen Deerhake wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; "><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Hi Jordan.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Happy to help as well.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Stephen Deerhake<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div><div style="border-right-style: none; border-bottom-style: none; border-left-style: none; border-width: initial; border-color: initial; border-top-style: solid; border-top-color: rgb(225, 225, 225); border-top-width: 1pt; padding-top: 3pt; padding-right: 0in; padding-bottom: 0in; padding-left: 0in; "><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><b><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org">accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a> [mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Chris Disspain<br><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Saturday, November 14, 2015 2:29 AM<br><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Jordan Carter <<a href="mailto:jordan@internetnz.net.nz">jordan@internetnz.net.nz</a>><br><b>Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Accountability Cross Community <<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a>><br><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Updated Memo on Request on Sole Designator<o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><o:p> </o:p></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; ">Hi Jordan,<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; ">Happy to help.<o:p></o:p></p><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; ">Cheers,<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "> <o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; ">Chris Disspain | Chief Executive Officer<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; ">.au Domain Administration Ltd<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; ">T: +61 3 8341 4111 | F: +61 3 8341 4112<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; ">E:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:ceo@auda.org.au" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">ceo@auda.org.au</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>| W:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://www.auda.org.au" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">www.auda.org.au</a><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "> <o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; ">auDA - Australia's Domain Name Administrator<o:p></o:p></div></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; "><br>On 14 Nov 2015, at 11:03, Jordan Carter <<a href="mailto:jordan@internetnz.net.nz" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">jordan@internetnz.net.nz</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt; "><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; ">Thanks Greg.<o:p></o:p></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; ">I've decided as WP1 rapporteur to start a piece of work to see if we can solve this. More details in around 48h.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; ">Jordan <br><br>On Saturday, 14 November 2015, Greg Shatan <<a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></div><blockquote style="border-top-style: none; border-right-style: none; border-bottom-style: none; border-width: initial; border-color: initial; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-width: 1pt; padding-top: 0in; padding-right: 0in; padding-bottom: 0in; padding-left: 6pt; margin-left: 4.8pt; margin-right: 0in; "><div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; ">A very quick response:<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; ">1. I only used the ccNSO in the example because Chris Disspain did. Clearly, that exposed this issue right over a major fault line. I don't know if that was Chris's intent, or if he was just speaking from his cc point of view, but no matter -- the elephant is where it is. As Becky indicates, GNSO would have similar concerns (though without quite the same ability to walk away from ICANN). One could imagine similar concerns from at least some of the other SO/ACs as well (though without the same history, which can't be ignored).<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; ">2. The completion deadline isn't *really* 48 hours from now. That's only when the Formal Update (downgraded from an Executive Summary, and perhaps to be further downgraded to a Strong Breeze, or a Foul Wind) is being published. The *real* proposal won't be published until November 30 (known to those in the US as "the Monday after Thanksgiving").<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; ">3. This does expose issues, as you say:<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><ul type="disc" style="margin-bottom: 0in; "><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; ">Should all Bylaw changes coming from any SO/AC be immune from challenge by the Community?</span><o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; ">Or should this immunity be granted only to the ccNSO, given the Great Schism of 2002 and the subsequent Great Re-Engagement of 2003, which was predicated on specific understandings?</span><o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; ">How far would this immunity go?</span><o:p></o:p></li></ul><ul type="disc" style="margin-bottom: 0in; "><ul type="circle" style="margin-bottom: 0in; "><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; ">If such Bylaws were immune from veto, would a "spill the board" or "IRP" action by the remaining Community members also be prohibited?</span><o:p></o:p></li></ul></ul><ul type="disc" style="margin-bottom: 0in; "><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; ">How far does this "One Big Community" idea go? </span><o:p></o:p></li></ul><ul type="disc" style="margin-bottom: 0in; "><ul type="circle" style="margin-bottom: 0in; "><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; ">Does it go so far to say that each part of the Community must be subservient to the Community as a whole? (Which sounds like another word that begins with "Commun-" (not that there's anything wrong with that)) </span><o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; ">If not, how do you balance autonomy and Community? </span><o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; ">And to what extent should these be general rules vs. specific rules (or exceptions to the general rules)?</span><o:p></o:p></li></ul></ul><ul type="disc" style="margin-bottom: 0in; "><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; ">Can there be a narrowly tailored solution to this particular issue, so that we are dealing with an animal smaller than an elephant, and a problem smaller than the essential underpinnings of "Community Powers"?</span><o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; ">Do the various escalation steps (especially the conference call and the Community Forum) provide enough of an opportunity for an embattled SO/AC to try to stop this from happening, rather than changing the rules at all?</span><o:p></o:p></li></ul><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; ">Greg</span><o:p></o:p></div></div></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><o:p> </o:p></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; ">On Fri, Nov 13, 2015 at 12:39 PM, Roelof Meijer <<a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','Roelof.Meijer@sidn.nl');" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">Roelof.Meijer@sidn.nl</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></div><blockquote style="border-top-style: none; border-right-style: none; border-bottom-style: none; border-width: initial; border-color: initial; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-width: 1pt; padding-top: 0in; padding-right: 0in; padding-bottom: 0in; padding-left: 6pt; margin-left: 4.8pt; margin-right: 0in; "><div><div><div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black; ">Chris, all,<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black; ">I am with Jordan on this.<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black; ">In the present situation, the board can reject the outcome of such a GNSO or ccNSO process with a 2/3 majority vote, right? Again in the present situation (and if all is well), the board would do so on the basis of comments from the community on the GNSO or ccNSO proposal. So, the community would kind of have the final say. Which is what we want, although it might sometimes be disappointing to a particular constituency.<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black; ">In the post-transition situation, with the new community powers in place, we want the community to be able to correct the board on important decisions that the large majority of the community does not agree with. <o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black; ">Many of these important decisions will either be the outcome of a policy process of an SO or advice from an AC (think about the GAC and stress test 18 in this context). Some of those will require a bylaw change, quite a few not, I suspect.<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black; ">Furthermore, those “important decisions” will in most cases (bylaw change or not) have an impact on a wider group than the SO or AC members that propose it.<o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black; ">So I think it’s completely justified that the community can eventually block an SO policy or AC advice (again, requiring a bylaw change or not) WITHOUT the consent of the “issuing” SO or AC. In fact, I think this this is one of the important pillars of the multi-stakeholder model.<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div></div><div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black; ">Best,<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black; ">Roelof Meijer<o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div></div><div style="border-right-style: none; border-bottom-style: none; border-left-style: none; border-width: initial; border-color: initial; border-top-style: solid; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); border-top-width: 1pt; padding-top: 3pt; padding-right: 0in; padding-bottom: 0in; padding-left: 0in; "><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><b><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black; ">From:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black; "><<a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org');" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a>> on behalf of Chris Disspain <<a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ceo@auda.org.au');" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">ceo@auda.org.au</a>><br><b>Date:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>donderdag 12 november 2015 10:50<br><b>To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Greg Shatan <<a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','gregshatanipc@gmail.com');" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>><br><b>Cc:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Jon Nevett <<a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','jon@donuts.email');" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">jon@donuts.email</a>>, Accountability Cross Community <<a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','accountability-cross-community@icann.org');" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a>><br><b>Subject:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Re: [CCWG-ACCT] [WP1] Fwd: Updated Memo on Request on Sole Designator<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div></div><div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(102, 102, 102); ">Thanks Greg.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(102, 102, 102); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(102, 102, 102); ">For clarity then, you are saying that where a policy has been created by the GNSO through its legitimate PDP and that policy requires a bylaw change, the community should be able to block that bylaw change. Does that not undermine the whole policy development process and substantially change the role of the SOs within the ICANN structure?<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(102, 102, 102); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(102, 102, 102); ">Although I was not in the ccNSO room at the time of the discussion, I believe that this issue was a serious concern for the ccTLDs. Perhaps my ccTLD colleagues on the CCWG would care too confirm the position?<o:p></o:p></span></div><div><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-bottom: 12pt; min-height: 14px; text-align: start; word-spacing: 0px; "><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; color: black; "><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: start; word-spacing: 0px; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(148, 67, 251); ">Cheers,<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; min-height: 16px; text-align: start; word-spacing: 0px; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(148, 67, 251); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: start; word-spacing: 0px; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(148, 67, 251); ">Chris<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(102, 102, 102); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(102, 102, 102); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(102, 102, 102); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt; "><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(102, 102, 102); ">On 13 Nov 2015, at 00:17 , Greg Shatan <<a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','gregshatanipc@gmail.com');" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(102, 102, 102); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(102, 102, 102); ">I think the corollary to Chris's questions is whether the ccNSO (in Chris's example) should be able to push through these changes despite opposition from the rest of the community.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(102, 102, 102); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(102, 102, 102); ">I would say that we have answered this question "no" and Chris's questions "yes." These have been fairly obvious implications of our work for quite some time.<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(102, 102, 102); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(102, 102, 102); ">On the other hand, if there is substantial opposition to this lack of autonomy (in favor of more power to the community as a whole), now that it's so explicitly stated, now's the time to say so!<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(102, 102, 102); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(102, 102, 102); ">Greg<br><br>On Thursday, November 12, 2015, Chris Disspain <<a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ceo@auda.org.au');" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">ceo@auda.org.au</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></div><blockquote style="border-top-style: none; border-right-style: none; border-bottom-style: none; border-width: initial; border-color: initial; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-width: 1pt; padding-top: 0in; padding-right: 0in; padding-bottom: 0in; padding-left: 6pt; margin-left: 4.8pt; margin-right: 0in; "><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(102, 102, 102); ">All,<o:p></o:p></span></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(102, 102, 102); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(102, 102, 102); ">Jon’s point is, in effect, the same as has been raised in the ccNSO (by me and a number of others). <o:p></o:p></span></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(102, 102, 102); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(102, 102, 102); ">Using the ccNSO as an example there are 2 questions:<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(102, 102, 102); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(102, 102, 102); ">1. If the ccNSO goes through an internal or external review process and ends up approving changes to its operations that involve a change to the relevant bylaw then should that change be ‘blockable' without the ccNSO supporting such a block?<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(102, 102, 102); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(102, 102, 102); ">2. If the ccNSO has run a PDP and makes recommendations to the Board which are accepted and in the event that the recommendations require a bylaw change then should such change be ‘blockable’ without the ccNSO supporting such a block?<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(102, 102, 102); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(102, 102, 102); ">This applies to each SO (and for question 1 the ACs) including, importantly, the ASO which delivers global policy instructions on behalf on the NRO.<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(102, 102, 102); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(102, 102, 102); ">It is not an answer to these questions to say ‘it is highly unlikely that bylaw changes would be required because of a PDP or SO/AC review’. Unlikely scenario or not, these are fundamental questions that need to be answered.<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(102, 102, 102); "><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(102, 102, 102); ">Cheers,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(102, 102, 102); "><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(102, 102, 102); ">Chris Disspain | Chief Executive Officer<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(102, 102, 102); ">.au Domain Administration Ltd<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(102, 102, 102); ">T:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="tel:%2B61%203%208341%204111" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">+61 3 8341 4111</a> | F:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="tel:%2B61%203%208341%204112" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">+61 3 8341 4112</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(102, 102, 102); ">E: <a href="mailto:ceo@auda.org.au" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">ceo@auda.org.au</a> | W:<a href="http://www.auda.org.au/" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">www.auda.org.au</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(102, 102, 102); ">auDA – Australia’s Domain Name Administrator<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(102, 102, 102); "><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(102, 102, 102); ">Important Notice-<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(102, 102, 102); ">This email may contain information which is confidential and/or subject to legal privilege, and is intended for the use of the named addressee only. 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Please consider the environment before printing this email.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(102, 102, 102); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt; "><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(102, 102, 102); ">On 12 Nov 2015, at 20:46 , Steve DelBianco <<a href="mailto:sdelbianco@netchoice.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">sdelbianco@netchoice.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(102, 102, 102); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div><div><div><div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(102, 102, 102); ">"consent of the governed"? I do not think it means what you think it means. <o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(102, 102, 102); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(102, 102, 102); ">A government serves with the consent of those it governs, measured by majority of all citizens. A government that campaigned on raising taxes on the rich could prevail in an election WITHOUT requiring that the impacted rich give their support.<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(102, 102, 102); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(102, 102, 102); ">Even if it meant what Jon intends, “consent of the governed” for a budget veto would require consent of those who pay registration fees, not just the contract parties. That would mean ALAC support would be required, too.<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(102, 102, 102); "> <o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(102, 102, 102); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div></div><div style="border-right-style: none; border-bottom-style: none; border-left-style: none; border-width: initial; border-color: initial; border-top-style: solid; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); border-top-width: 1pt; padding-top: 3pt; padding-right: 0in; padding-bottom: 0in; padding-left: 0in; "><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><b><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(102, 102, 102); ">From: </span></b><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(102, 102, 102); "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><<a href="mailto:wp1-bounces@icann.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">wp1-bounces@icann.org</a>> on behalf of Robin Gross <<a href="mailto:robin@ipjustice.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">robin@ipjustice.org</a>><br><b>Date:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Wednesday, November 11, 2015 at 10:24 PM<br><b>To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Accountability Cross Community <<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a>><br><b>Cc:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>"James M. Bladel" <<a href="mailto:jbladel@godaddy.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">jbladel@godaddy.com</a>>, "<a href="mailto:wp1@icann.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">wp1@icann.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:wp1@icann.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">wp1@icann.org</a>>, Jon Nevett <<a href="mailto:jon@donuts.email" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">jon@donuts.email</a>><br><b>Subject:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Re: [WP1] [CCWG-ACCT] Updated Memo on Request on Sole Designator<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(102, 102, 102); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div></div><div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(102, 102, 102); ">Also agree with Jon on this key point, which has been raised before, but not dealt with due to more "pressing" issues.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(102, 102, 102); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(102, 102, 102); ">Robin<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(102, 102, 102); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(102, 102, 102); ">On Nov 11, 2015, at 2:34 PM, James M. Bladel wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(102, 102, 102); "><br><br><o:p></o:p></span></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt; "><div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(102, 102, 102); ">Agree with Jon, “consent of the governed” is an necessary component of community decision making.<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(102, 102, 102); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(102, 102, 102); ">Thanks—<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(102, 102, 102); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(102, 102, 102); ">J.<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(102, 102, 102); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(102, 102, 102); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div></div><div style="border-right-style: none; border-bottom-style: none; border-left-style: none; border-width: initial; border-color: initial; border-top-style: solid; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); border-top-width: 1pt; padding-top: 3pt; padding-right: 0in; padding-bottom: 0in; padding-left: 0in; "><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><b><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(102, 102, 102); ">From:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(102, 102, 102); "><<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a>> on behalf of Jon Nevett <<a href="mailto:jon@donuts.email" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">jon@donuts.email</a>><br><b>Date:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Tuesday, November 10, 2015 at 20:51<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><b>To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Accountability Cross Community <<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a>><br><b>Cc:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>"<<a href="mailto:wp1@icann.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">wp1@icann.org</a>>" <<a href="mailto:wp1@icann.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">wp1@icann.org</a>><br><b>Subject:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Re: [CCWG-ACCT] [WP1] Updated Memo on Request on Sole Designator<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(102, 102, 102); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div></div><div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(102, 102, 102); ">Folks:<o:p></o:p></span></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(102, 102, 102); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(102, 102, 102); ">I'd like to propose an amendment to the Community Decision-making Process. <o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(102, 102, 102); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div></div><div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(102, 102, 102); ">In the case where an issue being considered most directly relates to a specific Supporting Organization, we should require support of that SO in order to utilize a community action. For example, if the community is considering blocking a change to a standard Bylaw -- Article IX of the ICANN Bylaws (CCNSO) -- we should ensure that the CCNSO supports using a community action in order to move forward. <o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(102, 102, 102); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(102, 102, 102); ">In the case of blocking ICANN's budget, which includes the specific amount gTLD registration fees, the GNSO must support using that community process. <o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(102, 102, 102); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(102, 102, 102); ">In the case of an ASO related IRP issue, the ASO must support before the community makes a decision binding. <o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(102, 102, 102); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(102, 102, 102); ">We should require the specific SO at issue plus at least 50% of the other SOs and ACs participating in the decision in order for the community decision process is invoked. <o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(102, 102, 102); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(102, 102, 102); ">To do otherwise, we risk tyranny of the majority being used against the group most impacted by a decision. <o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(102, 102, 102); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(102, 102, 102); ">Of course, in the case where there is no SO that is predominantly at issue, we should go with a certain requirement of support that we already have been discussing. <o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(102, 102, 102); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(102, 102, 102); ">We also would need to figure out how to handle a dispute of which SO is predominant. Regardless of how we handle that issue, we should ensure that the SO most impacted by use of community powers are in support. <o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(102, 102, 102); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(102, 102, 102); ">Thanks.<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(102, 102, 102); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(102, 102, 102); ">Jon<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(102, 102, 102); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(102, 102, 102); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt; "><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(102, 102, 102); ">On Nov 10, 2015, at 9:44 AM, Alan Greenberg <<a href="mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(102, 102, 102); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(102, 102, 102); ">No misunderstanding. I was replying to Seun who raised the case of some AC/SOs choosing not to participate in a particular issue.<br><br>Alan<br><br>At 10/11/2015 07:29 AM, Schaefer, Brett wrote:<br><br><br><o:p></o:p></span></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt; "><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; "><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(102, 102, 102); ">Alan,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br> <br>I think there is a bit of misunderstanding. I’m not talking about a participating SO or AC choosing to abstain or make no decision. That is anticipated in the model. Abstention, as far as I understand it, is not considered either opposition or support for the purposes of exercising the community powers – in other words iit does not count for the thresholds either in support or against.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br> <br>I’m talking about situations like SSAC, where a AC decides not to participate at all. Most seem to believe that RSSAC will likewise decide not to participate.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br> <br>But the assumption is that GNSO, ccNSO, ASO, ALAC, and GAC will. This is why everyone is assuming that we will have 5 participating entities in the community mechanism.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br> <br>But if GAC or one of the others decides otherwise or simple cannot reach consensus on participating for some length of time, we would only have 4 or even fewer participating entities. In the first situation, using those four community powers would require community unanimity. In the second, the community would not be able to exercise those powers at all.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br> <br>That is why I suggested getting confirmation of intent to participate – acknowledging that this would not be an endorsement of the CCWG proposal – from the ACss and SOs so that we can accurately project for the model.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br> <br>I also think that we need to explore thresholds for various levels of participation for that reason.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br> <br>Best,<br> <br>Brett<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br> <br> <br> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; text-align: center; "><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(102, 102, 102); "><hr size="3" width="100%" align="center"></span></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; "><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(102, 102, 102); ">Brett Schaefer<br>Jay Kingham Senior Research Fellow in International Regulatory Affairs<br>Margaret Thatcher Center for Freedom Davis Institute for National Security and Foreign Policy<br></span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(88, 89, 91); ">The Heritage Foundation<br>214 Massachusetts Avenue, NE<br>Washington, DC 20002</span><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(102, 102, 102); "><br><a href="tel:202-608-6097" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">202-608-6097</a><br></span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(0, 75, 141); "><a href="http://heritage.org/" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">heritage.org</a><br><br></span><b><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(102, 102, 102); ">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(102, 102, 102); "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Alan Greenberg [<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Tuesday, November 10, 2015 5:51 AM<br><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Seun Ojedeji; Schaefer, Brett<br><b>Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><<a href="mailto:wp1@icann.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">wp1@icann.org</a>>; Accountability Cross Community<br><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [CCWG-ACCT] [WP1] Updated Memo on Request on Sole Designator<br> <br>There is a huge difference between an AC/SO that has explicitly said it will not participate at all and one that decides to not state a position on exercising a power in a particular instance. The latter IS participating by neither supporting nor opposing the action. Without sufficient ACTIVE support, the action dies.<br><br>In the extreme, option 2 will allow one AC/SO to exercise a power on its own, since 1 is greater than 75% of 1.<br><br>Alan<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>--<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>Sent from my mobile. Please excuse brevity and typos.<br>On November 10, 2015 1:54:23 AM GMT-03:00, Seun Ojedeji <<a href="mailto:seun.ojedeji@gmail.com%20" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">seun.ojedeji@gmail.com<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></a>> wrote:<br><br>Hi,<br><br>I think lowering the threshold may still bring us to a deadlock since we are not always certain whether all will participate at any point in time. Allowing splitting votes is out of discussion as we have agreed to go by consensus.<br><br>Option 2 IMO seem to be a good thing to explore further and in order to ensure that is not abused, an overall minimum total number of participating SO/AC should be set. So if that minimum is not achieved then there is no need to check those in support or against. I think a minimum number of 4 may be in order.<br>That will ensure that percentage is not used on say 3 participating SO/AC or less.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><br>Regards<br>Sent from my Asus Zenfone2<br>Kindly excuse brevity and typos.<br>On 9 Nov 2015 22:57, "Schaefer, Brett" <<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:Brett.Schaefer@heritage.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">Brett.Schaefer@heritage.org</a>> wrote:<br>Jordan,<br> <br>If the model that we are discussing is unworkable under a fairly realistic eventuality that seems to be a critical problem.<br> <br>In my opinion, it requires consideration of: (1) lowering the thresholds to three if there are only four participating entities; (2) shifting minimum thresholds from 4 entities in support to, instead, at least 75 percent of the participating entities in support; or (3) allowing the splitting of votes to surmount existing thresholds.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br> <br>Best,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br> <br>Brett <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br> <br><b>From:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Jordan Carter [<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:jordan@internetnz.net.nz" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">mailto:jordan@internetnz.net.nz</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Monday, November 09, 2015 4:46 PM<br><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Schaefer, Brett<br><b>Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Accountability Cross Community;<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:wp1@icann.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">wp1@icann.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [WP1] Updated Memo on Request on Sole Designator<br> <br>hi Brett,<br> <br>Such matrices of decision are not being drafted. If you are able to attend the call in around ~15 hours, I think it would be useful to talk this through. As I've said before, if we are down to four SO/ACs participating, to my mind that's too small an orbit to use the current model.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br> <br>Jordan<br> <br>On 10 November 2015 at 08:34, Schaefer, Brett <<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:Brett.Schaefer@heritage.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">Brett.Schaefer@heritage.org</a>> wrote:<br>Jordan,<br> <br>I appreciate the explanation provided in the memo.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br> <br>However, I note that the decision matrix remains unchanged in that it requires support from 4 SOs/ACs to exercise powers 1, 2, 5, and 7. The operating assumption is that GNSO, ccNSO, ASO, and ALAC will participate. I believe that they will, but it would be good to get confirmation even with the knowledge that such a statement should not be considered an endorsement of the CCWG proposal.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br> <br>Also, as we discussed in the previous CCWG WP1 call, there is a possible complication if RSSAC, as expected, decides not to participate and GAC either (1) decides not to participate, (2) decides not to participate immediately, but announces its desire to be allowed participate at some future date, or (3) cannot reach a consensus position.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br> <br>In that case, unanimous support by the 4 SOs/ACs assumed above to participate would be required in order to exercise powers 1,2, 5, and 7. I don’t think that unanimous support was supposed to be required for exercise of the community powers. <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br> <br>Until we have confirmation of which SOs and ACs (other than SSAC which has explicitly stated its intention not to participate) will be participating in the mechanism, we need to plan out possible scenarios. For this reason, I think we need to provide decision matrices based on varying levels of participation. Is this being drafted?<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br> <br>Thanks,<br> <br>Brett <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br> <br><b>From:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:wp1-bounces@icann.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">wp1-bounces@icann.org</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:wp1-bounces@icann.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">mailto:wp1-bounces@icann.org</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of</b>Jordan Carter<br><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Sunday, November 08, 2015 5:51 PM<br><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Accountability Cross Community;<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:wp1@icann.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">wp1@icann.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [WP1] Updated Memo on Request on Sole Designator<br> <br>... and in PDF<br>J<br> <br>On 9 November 2015 at 11:50, Jordan Carter <<a href="mailto:jordan@internetnz.net.nz%20" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">jordan@internetnz.net.nz<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></a>> wrote:<br>Dear all - for your reading pleasure and for the lists record.<br> <br>Jordan<br> <br><br><b>Brett</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>Schaefer</b><i><br>Jay Kingham Senior Research Fellow in International Regulatory Affairs<br>Margaret Thatcher Center for Freedom Davis Institute for National Security and Foreign Policy</i><br>The Heritage Foundation<br>214 Massachusetts Avenue, NE<br>Washington, DC 20002<br><a href="tel:202-608-6097" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">202-608-6097</a><br><a href="http://heritage.org/" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">heritage.org</a><br><br><b>Brett</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>Schaefer</b><i><br>Jay Kingham Senior Research Fellow in International Regulatory Affairs<br>Margaret Thatcher Center for Freedom Davis Institute for National Security and Foreign Policy</i><br>The Heritage Foundation<br>214 Massachusetts Avenue, NE<br>Washington, DC 20002<br><a href="tel:202-608-6097" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">202-608-6097</a><br><a href="http://heritage.org/" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">heritage.org</a><br>---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>Gregory, Holly</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><<a href="mailto:holly.gregory@sidley.com%20" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">holly.gregory@sidley.com<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></a>><br>Date: 7 November 2015 at 13:48<br>Subject: Updated Memo on Request on Sole Designator<br>Dear Co-Chairs, Jordan and Staff, <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br> <br>Attached please find a substantially reorganized and revised memo on how the Sole Designator would be made operational, to replace the memo that was sent to you last week. The changes are largely in the nature of clarifications and we have addressed the point requested below as well. We request that this memo be posted to replace the prior memo.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br> <br>Please let us know if you have any questions.<br><br>Kind regards,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>Holly and Rosemary<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br> <br> <br><br><br> <br>--<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>Jordan Carter<br><br>Chief Executive<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><b>InternetNZ<br></b><br><a href="tel:%2B64-4-495-2118" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">+64-4-495-2118</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>(office) |<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="tel:%2B64-21-442-649" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">+64-21-442-649</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>(mob)<br>Email:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:jordan@internetnz.net.nz" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">jordan@internetnz.net.nz</a><br>Skype: jordancarter<br>Web:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://www.internetnz.nz/" target="_blank" style="color: blue; 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