<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0"><tr><td valign="top"><div>Articulate your objection Greg. You disrupted a valid and important discussion of WS2 issues. Who is the real troll? Look at megan's email, it doesn't even make grammatical sense. ICANN needs people who can make specific arguments, not vague whiners who try to generate manufacturered hysteria for King Leon with his phony generalized decrees.<br /><br />Ron</div></td></tr></table> <div id="_origMsg_">
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Ron Baione <ron.baione@yahoo.com>; <br>
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Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Phony Hysteria used to exclude the disliked <br>
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<td valign="top">I'm done feeding the troll. He seems to be self-sustaining (or self-immolating<span></span>) anyway.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">On Saturday, November 14, 2015, Ron Baione via Accountability-Cross-Community <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org" target="_blank" href="javascript:return">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"><div class="yqt2112774057" id="yqt34778"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0"><tbody><tr><td colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top"><div>Care to articulate what exactly it is that you found offensive? Or is that the extent of your revisionism and manufactured hysteria? Your so-called 'objections' were very vague, stating that my response was "in the face
of tragedy", but how so? Can you place your argument against my email into a coherent sentence or even a paragraph, with specific references? No, you can't, because your fake astonishment is a laughable joke, built upon each successive vague objection. <br clear="none"><br clear="none">10 vague objections toned of phony astonishment does not one specific, well thought out objection make. <br clear="none"><br clear="none">Trying to have an intellectual discussion on this mailing list may actually be impossible in my opinion. The last 15 days worth of emails have been fun to read, everyone talking past each other, nothing getting accomplished.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Ron</div></td></tr></tbody></table> <div>
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<div>Indeed. Agree with Roelof, Greg and I suspect all others who find this inappropriate and offensive in the face of such wanton destruction of human lives. <br clear="none">
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On 14 Nov 2015, at 18:06, Greg Shatan <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br clear="none">
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<div>+1. It 's bizarre and offensive for this to be posted in response to the atrocities in Paris, on the slender connection that an external whistleblower process for ICANN could lead to world peace.<span></span><br clear="none">
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<div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;font-size:14px;">After having looked at both the subject and the content, I strongly suggest that Mr. Baione’s “come-back” is followed by a second but now definite expulsion from the list.</div>
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<div><font color="#000000"><font face="Calibri"><font face="Calibri,sans-serif">He ha</font><font face="Calibri,sans-serif">s obviously no intention at all to behave differently.</font></font></font></div>
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<span style="font-weight:bold;">From: </span><<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect">accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a>> on behalf of "<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a>"
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<span style="font-weight:bold;">Date: </span>zaterdag 14 november 2015 15:59<br clear="none">
<span style="font-weight:bold;">To: </span>Contact - Https Card - Internet Identity Card <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect">contact@httpscard.com</a>>, "<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a>"
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<span style="font-weight:bold;">Subject: </span>Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Paris Terrorist Attack<br clear="none">
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I have been asking for the creation of an external whistleblower process to be added to workstream 2 discussions.
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The hopeful addition of an external whistleblower process in WorkStream 2 can be an additional and useful support line for the providing of important information from ICANN members to legally designated human rights organizations, so that if ICANN members feel
pressured or intimidated in any way after the transition process is completed, multiple support mechanisms can be available, included into ICANN's transition proposal, and acting as a deterrance to all nefarious activity.<br clear="none">
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I am a hypothetical board member and in the post transition process someone tries to influence my ICANN votes and decisions with various intimidation tactics such as blackmail, instead of calling the current ICANN whisleblower "phone-line" or one of the entities
listed above, I could instead call one of five randomly selected human rights organizations to get the word out to the greater internet community, a legally sanctioned process which would prevent an over-reliance on websites like "wikileaks". Such a deterrant
to nefarious activity could last for as many decades as it takes to achieve world peace.<br clear="none">
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Here is a link to the speeches and agenda from the recent 2nd Annual Ethos and Profession of Intelligence Conference, co-hosted by the Central Intelligence Agency on October 27, 2015. These speeches are given by relevant and supporting experts who make up one
prominent line of support against nefarious activity, experts speak from the United States and elsewhere, speeches which I believe lend indirect support for additional legal whistleblower support mechanisms, as I have proposed:<br clear="none">
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Opening Remarks [9:00am - 9:20am]<br clear="none">
John Brennan, Director, Central Intelligence Agency<br clear="none">
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21st Century Challenges: Denied Areas, Digital Domains, and Determined Adversaries
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Gwen Ifill (moderator) - Moderator and Managing editor of Washington Week; Co-Anchor and Managing Editor, PBS NewsHour<br clear="none">
John Brennan - Director, Central Intelligence Agency (CIA)<br clear="none">
Adm. Mike Rogers - Commander, US Cyber Command; Director, National Security Agency (NSA), Chief, Central Security Service <br clear="none">
Robert Cardillo - Director, National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency (NGA)<br clear="none">
Doug Wise - Deputy Director, Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) <br clear="none">
21st Century Warning: What Should Policymakers Reasonably Expect? [10:20am-11:20am]<br clear="none">
David Cohen (Moderator) - Deputy Director, CIA<br clear="none">
Michèle Flournoy - Co-Founder and CEO, Center for a New American Security; Under Secretary of Defense for Policy (former)<br clear="none">
Chris Kojm - Visiting Professor, Practice of International Affairs, The George Washington University<br clear="none">
Gregory Treverton - Chairman, National Intelligence Council (NIC)<br clear="none">
Remarks [1:00pm - 1:05pm] <br clear="none">
Dr. Steven Knapp - President, The George Washington University<br clear="none">
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Keynote Address [1:05pm - 1:30pm]<br clear="none">
James Clapper, Director of National Intelligence<br clear="none">
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Bridging 20th Century Law and 21st Century Intelligence [1:30pm - 2:30pm]<br clear="none">
Ken Wainstein (Moderator) - Cadwalader, Wickersham & Taft LLP; Homeland Security Advisor, White House (former)<br clear="none">
Orin Kerr - Fred C. Stevenson Research Professor of Law, The George Washington University<br clear="none">
Caroline Krass - General Counsel, CIA<br clear="none">
David Kris - General Counsel, Intellectual Ventures; Assistant Attorney General for National Security (former)<br clear="none">
Benjamin Wittes - Senior Fellow in Governance Studies, Brookings Institution<br clear="none">
21st Century Intelligence Officers: What Capabilities Do They Need to Fulfill the Mission? [2:30pm - 3:30pm]<br clear="none">
Dr. Mike Vickers (Moderator) - Undersecretary of Defense for Intelligence (former)<br clear="none">
Glenn Gaffney - Associate Director for Talent, CIA <br clear="none">
Evan Burfield - Co-Founder and Co-CEO, 1776<br clear="none">
Diana Burley -<br clear="none">
Executive Director and Chair, Institute for Information Infrastructure Protection (I3P); Professor, Human and Organizational Learning, The George Washington University<br clear="none">
Andrew Hallman - Deputy Director, Digital Innovation, CIA<br clear="none">
The Shared 21st Century International Mission - Partners in Security [4:00pm - 5:00pm]<br clear="none">
David Ignatius (Moderator) -<br clear="none">
Associate Editor and Columnist, The Washington Post<br clear="none">
Yaakov Amirdror - Anne and Greg Rosshandler Senior Fellow, Begin-Sadat Center for Strategic Studies; Distinguished Fellow, Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs, Israeli National Security Advisor (former)<br clear="none">
Bernard Bajolet - Director, French Directorate General for External Security (DGSE)<br clear="none">
John Brennan - Director, CIA<br clear="none">
John Sawers - Partner and Chairman, Macro Advisory Partners; Chief, Secret Intelligence Service (MI6) (former)<br clear="none">
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Judge William Webster, Director CIA (former), Director Federal Bureau of Investigation (former)"<br clear="none">
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span> </b>Contact - Https Card - Internet Identity Card <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect">contact@httpscard.com</a>>;
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold;">To:</span> </b><<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a>>;
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span> </b>Sat, Nov 14, 2015 2:18:06 PM <br clear="none">
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My heart and my thoughts are with all the victims and their families.<br clear="none">
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We will never forget and never forgive!<br clear="none">
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Michael Benaudis<br clear="none">
President<br clear="none">
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Official IIC: <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="https://www.httpscard.com/michaelbenaudis/">
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