<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Milton,</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">I don't consider clarifying that "service" refers to a technical process a "hang up." I think that actually reflects what is intended in the wording of this provision. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default"><font face="verdana, sans-serif">We have been referring to "services that use the Internet's unique identifiers." What kind of "services" actually "use" the Internet's unique identifiers? Service </font><i style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">businesses</i><font face="verdana, sans-serif"> don't really "use" the Internet's unique identifiers. Sure, they may own domain names and they may type in domain names when they use email clients or web browsers -- but so do product-based businesses, end users, IGOs, sovereigns, etc., so a reference to services in particular and not to every other kind of user makes no sense. Yet "services that use the Internet's unique identifiers" was chosen on purpose rather than some completely different expression. It's become increasingly clear to me that what this refers to is a service such as a web service, mail service, etc., that runs on a web server, mail server, etc., and the "use" of the Internet's unique identifiers that's referred to is the actual technical process that occurs when that software is "found" or communicates using the DNS. Other language bears this out -- a service </font><i style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">business</i><font face="verdana, sans-serif"> doesn't really "carry" content, but a web service or a mail service clearly does (think of "carry" as a variant of "carriage" or "carrier"). This understanding of "use" is also demonstrated by the Malcolm Hutty proposal on November 6, which referred to use of the Internet's unique identifiers by services "</font><font color="#000000" face="verdana, sans-serif">to enable or facilitate their <span class="" style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">reachability </span>over the Internet.</font><span style="font-family:'Avenir Book';color:rgb(51,102,255);font-size:14.6667px">" </span><font face="verdana, sans-serif" color="#000000">It's the software-service that needs to be "reached" using the DNS, not a person or a business that is being "reached."</font></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">So, I actually contend that we are on the right track here, and not "hung up." As my re-posted email indicates, Andrew Sullivan had a couple of constructions for the parenthetical that advanced discussions beyond my own attempt (and which are in my re-posted email), and which are more "technology neutral." Of course, there's a certain challenge to describing a technological process in a way that is "technology neutral" -- but since ICANN is an entity that carries out a technical mission, it's a challenge that has been met many times before and I'm confident it will be met again here. We're already closer than we were just a few days ago.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Greg</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Nov 16, 2015 at 6:12 PM, Mueller, Milton L <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:milton@gatech.edu" target="_blank">milton@gatech.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">I am sorry I was not able to be on this call but it occurred in the middle of the IGF.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">The problem with the conversation in the transcript below is that it is still hung up on some kind of technical definition of ‘service,” when all you need to
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Greg Shatan<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, November 16, 2015 5:47 PM<br>
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<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org" target="_blank">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a><span class=""><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [CCWG-ACCT] SIDE BY SIDE on Regulation/Contract language<u></u><u></u></span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">I sent an email Saturday in an attempt to move the ball on this provision -- particularly on the provision that Andrew highlights. Since it may have gotten lost in the email blizzard, I
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">This topic was just discussed extensively on the call yesterday and there was considerable progress. The recordings, notes, chat and call transcripts are all available now
at <a href="https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=56145283" target="_blank">https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=56145283</a>. The relevant discussion is on pp. 4-19 of the call transcript. It's important to read the
whole section, but the concluding remarks from that discussion are helpful for us to build on:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Becky Burr: Well, no, I mean, I think that the point is - and Greg has just echoed me in this - what we are talking about is services, not service providers. So the
question is what is the underlying service, not what is the nature of the business. So I guess I agree with - I agree with the way it is set up in this language here.<br>
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Thomas Rickert: Yes, and I guess that what you’ve just refined is a better description of what Greg I think meant by saying differing classes of services - class of businesses. So I guess that’s helpful. So I think we can confirm and please let me know
if you do not agree with this, that that we are looking for a technology-neutral description of this.<br>
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But still if we’re using the technique that Kavouss has suggested, for example, we could have examples of technology to illustrate what we mean by the definition that should then go - or by the language that should then go into
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Alan Greenberg: Yeah, thank you. It [dawns] on me that when we're looking at the two classes of service, someone may be offering a graphics design service over the web. Clearly, we are never saying we are going to be regulating the graphics design service.
So at some level we could not - we don’t have to differentiate because we’re - the higher level service is always carved out. But since the word has two different very distinct meanings it’s probably better to be clear. Thank you.<br>
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And with that I’d like to thank you all for your contributions and for bearing with us for those who are not calling this their favorite item. And let’s now move to the next agenda item which is going to be chaired by Mathieu.</span><span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<b><span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:blue">services (i.e., any software process that accepts datagrams from the Internet, when those datagrams are not themselves necessarily the consequence of a datagram previously sent by the
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software processes by which commands received via the Internet are processed and a response is generated and transmitted via the Internet, to be viewed in a web browser, email client, or the like")). I tend to prefer the first one, which has the virtue of
brevity. That said, we should see if there are tweaks consistent with Thomas's summary of the call "</span><span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">we’re not talking about the service providers or the class of business that they're in
but that we're talking about the technical processes, the technical services.</span><span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">"</span><span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span><b><span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:blue">Information services which use the Internet’s unique identifiers but are not registries or registrars, or</span></b><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span><b><span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:blue">he content that such services carry or provide</span></b></span><span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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of saying “registries or registrars” we could simply say “under the Registrar Accreditation Agreement (RAA) or the Registry Agreement (RA).”</span><span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<b><span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:blue">Information services which use the Internet’s unique identifiers but are not under the Registrar Accreditation Agreement (RAA) or the Registry Agreement (RA), or</span></b><b><span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></b></p>
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<span><b><span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:blue">he content that such services carry or provide</span></b></span><span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"></span><span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Although "information services" could be preferable to "services," the first suggestion clearly takes us
away from describing "technical processes" and instead describes "service providers" since it refers to "registries or registrars" as the kind of thing that would be included as "information services" (unless carved out). The second suggestion is not as clearly
about "service providers" but it's also not clearly about "technical services" either (there's not enough information to read it clearly). <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<b><span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#0b5394"> shall not impose regulations on:<u></u><u></u></span></b></p>
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<b><span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#0b5394">Information services (i.e., any software process that accepts<u></u><u></u></span></b></p>
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<b><span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#0b5394">connections from the Internet) that use the Internet’s unique identifiers, other than those covered by the Registrar Accreditation Agreement (RAA) or the Registry Agreement (RA), or<u></u><u></u></span></b></p>
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<b><span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#0b5394">he content that such information services carry or provide</span></b><span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#0b5394"></span><span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<b><span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#0b5394">he content that such information services carry or provide</span></b><span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#0b5394"></span><span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Mon, Nov 16, 2015 at 5:27 PM, Andrew Sullivan <<a href="mailto:ajs@anvilwalrusden.com" target="_blank">ajs@anvilwalrusden.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Mon, Nov 16, 2015 at 10:15:31PM +0000, Burr, Becky wrote:<br>
> I am recirculating the slide that compares the 2nd Draft Report language with alternative language discussed on our last call. Although some who participated in the discussion found the definition of services to be a bit clunky, folks generally felt that
this language could work as direction to drafters. We need to reach closure on this issue.<br>
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With my usual disclaimer in place, I really strongly advise against<br>
the "to be viewed" &c. language. I sent an alternative and I think<br>
there were some other suggestions as well. They're all much more<br>
neutral with respect to technology.<br>
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<span>Andrew Sullivan</span><br>
<span><a href="mailto:ajs@anvilwalrusden.com" target="_blank">ajs@anvilwalrusden.com</a></span><br>
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