<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Andrew, </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">I strongly agree with your concluding statement:</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex" class="gmail_quote"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px">This is really why I think the "not a regulator" and "can undertake<br></span><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px">contracts" sentences, however we write them, are dangerous here. The<br></span><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px">basic restriction to enumerated powers is already in place, and I<br></span><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px">think these two sentences are going to be fantastically hard to write<br></span><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px">correctly for our meaning without causing some sort of side effect. I<br></span><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px">remain unconvinced they're either necessary or a good idea.</span></blockquote><div><br></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;display:inline">We are (unfortunately) down that rabbit-hole, and I think further efforts will just dig new tunnels, none of which will lead to daylight. Extracting ourselves entirely from the rabbit hole would be a far, far better thing.</div></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;display:inline"><br></div></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;display:inline">Greg</div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 12:45 PM, Avri Doria <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:avri@acm.org" target="_blank">avri@acm.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">+1<br>
<br>
and I believe we should seriously consider the advice of the guy that<br>
has no vested interest in this part of ICANN's mission.<br>
<br>
avri<br>
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On 20-Nov-15 12:31, Andrew Sullivan wrote:<br>
> On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 12:06:38PM -0500, Greg Shatan wrote:<br>
>> As stated in the provision, a "service" for the purpose of this clause is "any<br>
>> software process that accepts connections for the Internet) that use the<br>
>> Internet's unique identifiers." As such, it is clearly incorrect to say<br>
>> that "registrars/registries" are "services that use the Internet's unique<br>
>> identifiers.""<br>
> I'm afraid I disagree. This was the worry I tried to raise when I<br>
> first suggested that language, and I noted in the chat for the call<br>
> the other day. Whois (and RDAP when it's deployed) is clearly a<br>
> software process that accepts connections from the Internet. EPP is<br>
> also that. So is http(s), which is how most registrars interact with<br>
> their customers; there are definitely rules about what they have to<br>
> offer there (e.g. whois data over http -- there are even rules about<br>
> what such data has to say). There is in fact an argument to be made<br>
> here.<br>
><br>
> I accept Becky's argument that the futher clarification that ICANN<br>
> could enter into contracts to support the registration services is<br>
> enough to counteract all this, but I can see why someone would be<br>
> worried.<br>
><br>
> This is really why I think the "not a regulator" and "can undertake<br>
> contracts" sentences, however we write them, are dangerous here. The<br>
> basic restriction to enumerated powers is already in place, and I<br>
> think these two sentences are going to be fantastically hard to write<br>
> correctly for our meaning without causing some sort of side effect. I<br>
> remain unconvinced they're either necessary or a good idea.<br>
><br>
> Best regards,<br>
><br>
> A<br>
><br>
<br>
<br>
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