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Sunday, 22 November 2015, 05:12PM -05:00 from Greg Shatan <<a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>>:<br><br><blockquote style='border-left:1px solid #FC2C38; margin:0px 0px 0px 10px; padding:0px 0px 0px 10px;' cite="14482303680000085587">
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<div>If we can’t come to agreement on alternative wording then we have to default back to the existing text that was in the 2nd draft report.</div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;display:inline">GS: I disagree with this statement. I think the recent discussions have shown substantial ambiguities and areas of dispute around the meaning, scope, explanation, and interpretation</div> <div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;display:inline">of the text in the second draft report.</div></div><div><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;display:inline"><br></div></div><div><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;display:inline">Furthermore, we have moved beyond the second draft language in our deliberations. I think that some of the changes to the second draft language have had fairly broad support and there is no reason to throw those advances out.</div></div><div><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;display:inline"><br></div></div><div><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;display:inline">At the very least, I think we would need an explicit call for consensus to determine the current level of support for the second draft language.</div></div><div><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;display:inline"><br></div></div><div><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;display:inline">Even if we want to <i>consider</i> reverting back to the second draft language, there's no reason to say that we <i>have to</i> do so.</div></div><div><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;display:inline"><br></div></div><div><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;display:inline">Greg</div></div><div><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;display:inline"><br></div></div><div><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;display:inline"><br></div></div><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:14px;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><div><div>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span><<a href="//e-aj.my.com/compose/?mailto=mailto%3aaccountability%2dcross%2dcommunity%2dbounces@icann.org" target="_blank">accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a>> on behalf of Seun Ojedeji <<a href="//e-aj.my.com/compose/?mailto=mailto%3aseun.ojedeji@gmail.com" target="_blank">seun.ojedeji@gmail.com</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Sunday 22 November 2015 at 1:55 p.m.<br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span>Paul Rosenzweig <<a href="//e-aj.my.com/compose/?mailto=mailto%3apaul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com" target="_blank">paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com</a>><br>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Board comments on the Mission statement)<br>
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<p dir="ltr">A lot has been said, there has been examples and counter examples as well. Could you share at least one example that has survived being countered and most importantly a mission wording that will adequately address that example.</p>
<p dir="ltr">Thanks</p>
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<div >On 22 Nov 2015 00:42, "Paul Rosenzweig" <<a href="//e-aj.my.com/compose/?mailto=mailto%3apaul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com" target="_blank">paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution">
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<p style="margin-top:0px" dir="ltr">Yes but there have been many such examples already e.g. Melton 5 minutes ago. We are already in the drafting. So this seems a bit retrograde mo?</p>
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Saturday, 21 November 2015, 05:13PM -06:00 from Bruce Tonkin <<a href="//e-aj.my.com/compose/?mailto=mailto%3aBruce.Tonkin@melbourneit.com.au" target="_blank">Bruce.Tonkin@melbourneit.com.au</a>>:<br>
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<div>>> I read the concerns about the restriction clause as suggesting that it be deleted (perhaps I am wrong in this)
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No- we didn’t say that a restriction clause should be deleted. <br>
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" The Board asks that the CCWG provide some examples of what the<br>
CCWG believes that ICANN should and should not be able to do.<br>
That information can then be provided to counsel to see if text can be<br>
drafted to address the broader concerns."<br>
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