<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"><base href="x-msg://121/"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">+1 CW<div><br><div><div>On 24 Nov 2015, at 10:47, <<a href="mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch">Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div lang="DE-CH" link="blue" vlink="purple" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; "><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Good points<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Jorge<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span></div><div><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color: rgb(225, 225, 225); padding: 3pt 0cm 0cm; "><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><span lang="DE" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Von:</span></b><span lang="DE" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[mailto:accountability-<a href="mailto:cross-community-bounces@icann.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>Im Auftrag von<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Steve DelBianco<br><b>Gesendet:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Montag, 23. November 2015 23:37<br><b>An:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Mueller, Milton L <<a href="mailto:milton@gatech.edu" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">milton@gatech.edu</a>>; Burr, Becky <<a href="mailto:Becky.Burr@neustar.biz" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">Becky.Burr@neustar.biz</a>>; Metalitz, Steven <<a href="mailto:met@msk.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">met@msk.com</a>>; 'Silver, Bradley' <<a href="mailto:Bradley.Silver@timewarner.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">Bradley.Silver@timewarner.com</a>>; David Post <<a href="mailto:david.g.post@gmail.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">david.g.post@gmail.com</a>><br><b>Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Accountability Cross Community <<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a>><br><b>Betreff:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Board comments on the Mission statement<o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div><div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Milton, would your goal also be to prevent ICANN from enforcing contracts that include registrant restrictions proposed by the TLD operator? For example, the<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://www.icann.org/sites/default/files/tlds/bank/bank-agmt-pdf-25sep14-en.pdf" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">.BANK registry contract</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>has this on page 93:<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "> </span></div></div><blockquote style="margin-left: 30pt; margin-right: 0cm; "><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Content/Use Restrictions</span></b><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">By registering a .bank domain name you agree to be bound by the terms of this Acceptable Use Policy (AUP). In using your domain, you may not:<o:p></o:p></span></div></div></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-left: 30pt; margin-right: 0cm; "><blockquote style="margin-left: 30pt; margin-right: 0cm; "><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">1. Use your domain for any purposes prohibited by the laws of the jurisdiction(s) in which you do business or any other applicable law. For banking companies specifically, use your domain name for any purposes prohibited by the bank’s charter or license.<o:p></o:p></span></div></blockquote></blockquote><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "> </span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Let’s say that several major banks spend a billion dollars to convert their branch signage and all marketing materials from .COM to .BANK. Then they observe that .BANK was not enforcing its Content/Use Restrictions against some registrants who were undermining the trust promised by .BANK TLD. Those banks might well demand that ICANN find .BANK in breach of its registry agreement, and I’d expect ICANN to do so.<o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "> </span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Do you think we should write ICANN’s Mission and Core Values to<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><u>prohibit</u><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>ICANN from enforcing this contract? <o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "> </span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Best,<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Steve<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "> </span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "> </span></div></div><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); padding: 3pt 0cm 0cm; "><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">From:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a>> on behalf of "Mueller, Milton L" <<a href="mailto:milton@gatech.edu" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">milton@gatech.edu</a>><br><b>Date:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Monday, November 23, 2015 at 5:19 PM<br><b>To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Becky Burr <<a href="mailto:Becky.Burr@neustar.biz" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">Becky.Burr@neustar.biz</a>>, Steve Metalitz <<a href="mailto:met@msk.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">met@msk.com</a>>, "'Silver, Bradley'" <<a href="mailto:Bradley.Silver@timewarner.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">Bradley.Silver@timewarner.com</a>>, David Post <<a href="mailto:david.g.post@gmail.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">david.g.post@gmail.com</a>><br><b>Cc:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Accountability Cross Community <<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a>><br><b>Subject:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Board comments on the Mission statement<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "> </span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">It should be evident from everything that has been written by David, myself, Malcolm and many others that the target of the mission limitation is not the UDRP or domain name – trademark conflicts. In the UDRP the object of policy and enforcement is the domain name registration. Our goal is to limit ICANN to policies related to the domain name itself, and to prevent that power from being extended to web site content or other services or activities that might be associated with a domain.</span><span lang="EN-US" style=""><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span><span lang="EN-US" style=""><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">--MM</span><span lang="EN-US" style=""><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span><span lang="EN-US" style=""><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="border-style: none none none solid; border-left-width: 1.5pt; border-left-color: blue; padding: 0cm 0cm 0cm 4pt; "><div><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color: rgb(225, 225, 225); padding: 3pt 0cm 0cm; "><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Burr, Becky<br><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Monday, November 23, 2015 4:40 PM<br><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Metalitz, Steven; 'Silver, Bradley'; David Post<br><b>Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Accountability Cross Community<br><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Board comments on the Mission statement</span><span lang="EN-US" style=""><o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span lang="EN-US" style=""> <o:p></o:p></span></div><div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: 'Avenir Next', serif; ">I think we agree that the UDRP policy takes into account the use of a registered string to infringe a third party’s rights – either demonstrated by use of the domain, efforts to extort, or a pattern of offending conduct. That falls within the picket fence provision that (Spec 4 in the 2013 RAA) permits ICANN to enforce policies regarding <span style="background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; ">resolution of disputes regarding the registration of domain names</span></span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: 'Avenir Next', serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51); background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; "> (as opposed to the use of such domain names</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: 'Avenir Next', serif; color: red; background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; ">, but including where such policies take into account use of the domain names.) </span><span lang="EN-US" style=""><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span lang="EN-US" style=""> <o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span lang="EN-US" style=""> <o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span lang="EN-US" style=""> <o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "> </span><span lang="EN-US" style=""><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 9pt; ">J. Beckwith Burr</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style=""><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 12pt 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 9pt; color: rgb(0, 134, 86); ">Neustar, Inc.</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 9pt; color: rgb(125, 125, 125); ">/Deputy General Counsel & Chief Privacy Officer<br>1775 Pennsylvania Avenue NW, Washington D.C. 20006</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 9pt; color: gray; "><br></span><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 9pt; color: rgb(0, 134, 86); ">Office:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 9pt; color: rgb(125, 125, 125); ">+1.202.533.2932 <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 9pt; color: rgb(0, 134, 86); ">Mobile:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 9pt; color: rgb(125, 125, 125); ">+1.202.352.6367<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><strong><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(125, 125, 125); ">/</span></strong><span lang="EN-US" style=""><a href="http://www.neustar.biz" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; "><b><span style="font-size: 9pt; color: rgb(0, 134, 86); ">neustar.biz</span></b></a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "> </span><span lang="EN-US" style=""><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); padding: 3pt 0cm 0cm; "><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">From:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><Metalitz>, Steven Metalitz <<a href="mailto:met@msk.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">met@msk.com</a>><br><b>Date:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Monday, November 23, 2015 at 2:50 PM<br><b>To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>"'Silver, Bradley'" <<a href="mailto:Bradley.Silver@timewarner.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">Bradley.Silver@timewarner.com</a>>, Becky Burr <<a href="mailto:becky.burr@neustar.biz" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">becky.burr@neustar.biz</a>>, David Post <<a href="mailto:david.g.post@gmail.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">david.g.post@gmail.com</a>><br><b>Cc:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Accountability Community <<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a>><br><b>Subject:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>RE: [CCWG-ACCT] Board comments on the Mission statement</span><span lang="EN-US" style=""><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "> </span><span lang="EN-US" style=""><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">A successful UDRP case requires proof of bad faith registration AND USE of a domain name. Others are far more expert than I am on UDRP jurisprudence ( as contrasted with its genesis and development), but I thought that jurisprudence clearly established that the activities that take place on (e.g.) a website to which that domain name resolves is highly relevant (indeed, sometimes probative) of whether the domain name has been USED in bad faith. It would be anomalous if, in the provision that is now 3.7.7.9 of the RAA, which as Becky has demonstrated was first included in the RAA almost contemporaneously with the adoption of the UDRP, the phrase “use of a registered name” meant something markedly different than it means in the UDRP, and even odder if it meant something much narrower, especially considering that the RAA provision(in contrast to UDRP) refers to “direct or indirect” use. Finally, as Bradley points out, this is a contract provision, one that has been in place (in the case of 3.7.7.9 at least) ever since there were contracts between ICANN and accredited registrars; so the notion that we would now seek to place the enforcement of that provision off-limits to ICANN under the banner of “enhancing ICANN accountability” suggests to me that we have gone seriously off track here. </span><span lang="EN-US" style=""><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span><span lang="EN-US" style=""><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Steve Metalitz</span><span lang="EN-US" style=""><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span><span lang="EN-US" style=""><o:p></o:p></span></div><div><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); padding: 3pt 0cm 0cm; "><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; ">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; "><a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Silver, Bradley<br><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Monday, November 23, 2015 2:38 PM<br><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Burr, Becky; David Post<br><b>Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Accountability Cross Community<br><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Board comments on the Mission statement</span><span lang="EN-US" style=""><o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span lang="EN-US" style=""> <o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Thanks Becky,</span><span lang="EN-US" style=""><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span><span lang="EN-US" style=""><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">The question is not whether ICANN’s authority to enforce policies regarding resolutions of domain name disputes can be stretched to websites, the question is whether under the RAA, ICANN can validly require registrars to maintain an abuse contact and take certain steps in response to reports of Illegal Activity – which is defined to include conduct<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><i>involving</i><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>use of a Registered Name. Putting aside the issue of defamation and infringement etc, let’s assume for a moment that the Illegal Activity in question is not inherent in the domain name itself but rather<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><i>involves</i><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>the use of the name, either directly or indirectly. And let’s further assume that such use is something that a reasonable person might argue impacts ICANN’s ability to ensure the stable and secure operation of the Internet's unique identifier systems. I had thought that the language we were searching for would permit ICANN to act in those circumstances. Unless you are you taking the position that we know all we need to know today about what those circumstances might be, and whether ICANN’s activity could be impinged by the language we have been discussing, then you must acknowledge that we are doing brain surgery in the dark here by trying to constrain ICANN’s mission with language that has imprecise meaning. </span><span lang="EN-US" style=""><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span><span lang="EN-US" style=""><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Bradley</span><span lang="EN-US" style=""><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span><span lang="EN-US" style=""><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span><span lang="EN-US" style=""><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span><span lang="EN-US" style=""><o:p></o:p></span></div><div><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); padding: 3pt 0cm 0cm; "><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; ">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Burr, Becky [<a href="mailto:Becky.Burr@neustar.biz" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">mailto:Becky.Burr@neustar.biz</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Monday, November 23, 2015 1:38 PM<br><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Silver, Bradley; David Post<br><b>Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Alan Greenberg; Greg Shatan; Mueller, Milton L; Accountability Cross Community<br><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Board comments on the Mission statement</span><span lang="EN-US" style=""><o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span lang="EN-US" style=""> <o:p></o:p></span></div><div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: 'Avenir Next', serif; ">Bradley, </span><span lang="EN-US" style=""><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10.5pt; "> </span><span lang="EN-US" style=""><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: 'Avenir Next', serif; ">3.7.7.9 speaks about the registration and use of a “Registered Name.” </span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: 'Avenir Next', serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51); background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; ">A "Registered Name" refers to a domain name within the domain of a </span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: 'Avenir Next', serif; ">gTLD</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: 'Avenir Next', serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51); background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; ">…about which a </span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: 'Avenir Next', serif; ">gTLD</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: 'Avenir Next', serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51); background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; "> Registry Operator (or an Affiliate or subcontractor thereof engaged in providing Registry Services) maintains data in a Registry Database, arranges for such maintenance, or derives revenue from such maintenance.” To me, that refers to registration and use of a string, and not a web site.</span><span lang="EN-US" style=""><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10.5pt; "> </span><span lang="EN-US" style=""><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: 'Avenir Next', serif; ">That is also consistent with the registrar form of the “picket fence," which allows ICANN to unilaterally obligate registrars to comply with policies (a) covering specific topics and (b) developed in accordance with specified procedures designed to ensure that they are supported by consensus. The RAA spec (Section 4 of the 2001 RAA and Spec 4 in the 2013 RAA) covers policies regarding <span style="background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; ">resolution of disputes regarding the registration of domain names</span></span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: 'Avenir Next', serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51); background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; "> (as opposed to the use of such domain names</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: 'Avenir Next', serif; color: red; background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; ">, but including where such policies take into account use of the domain names.) </span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: 'Avenir Next', serif; ">So, under the Registrar’s form of picket fence, if ICANN has developed a Consensus Policy that covers resolution of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><i>disputes about registrations</i><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>(e.g., the UDRP, the Rapid Suspension policy, etc.), and that policy takes use into account (I.e, in the case of the UDRP for example, registration of a name “in bad faith” as defined in the UDRP), it is within ICANN’s authority. </span><span lang="EN-US" style=""><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10.5pt; "> </span><span lang="EN-US" style=""><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: 'Avenir Next', serif; ">The question is, could ICANN’s authority to enforce policies regarding <span style="background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; ">resolution of disputes regarding the<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><i>registration of domain names</i> be stretched to construe use of a<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><i>web site</i><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>(as opposed to the string itself) for defamation? I agree with David, </span>I "don't think they have that power at present, I don't think they have had that since the beginning of (ICANN) time, and I sure as heck don't want to them to have it once they are in control of the root and USG oversight is removed.” </span><span lang="EN-US" style=""><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span lang="EN-US" style=""> <o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: 'Avenir Next', serif; ">Becky</span><span lang="EN-US" style=""><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "> </span><span lang="EN-US" style=""><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 12pt 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 9pt; ">J. Beckwith Burr</span></b><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 9pt; color: rgb(51, 102, 255); "><br></span></b><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 9pt; color: rgb(0, 134, 86); ">Neustar, Inc.</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 9pt; color: rgb(125, 125, 125); ">/Deputy General Counsel & Chief Privacy Officer<br>1775 Pennsylvania Avenue NW, Washington D.C. 20006</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 9pt; color: gray; "><br></span><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 9pt; color: rgb(0, 134, 86); ">Office:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 9pt; color: rgb(125, 125, 125); ">+1.202.533.2932 <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 9pt; color: rgb(0, 134, 86); ">Mobile:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 9pt; color: rgb(125, 125, 125); ">+1.202.352.6367<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><strong><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(125, 125, 125); ">/</span></strong><span lang="EN-US" style=""><a href="http://www.neustar.biz" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; "><b><span style="font-size: 9pt; color: rgb(0, 134, 86); ">neustar.biz</span></b></a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "> </span><span lang="EN-US" style=""><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); padding: 3pt 0cm 0cm; "><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">From:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><Silver>, Bradley <<a href="mailto:Bradley.Silver@timewarner.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">Bradley.Silver@timewarner.com</a>><br><b>Date:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Monday, November 23, 2015 at 11:47 AM<br><b>To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>David Post <<a href="mailto:david.g.post@gmail.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">david.g.post@gmail.com</a>><br><b>Cc:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Becky Burr <<a href="mailto:becky.burr@neustar.biz" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">becky.burr@neustar.biz</a>>, Alan Greenberg <<a href="mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca</a>>, Greg Shatan <<a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>>, "Mueller, Milton L" <<a href="mailto:milton@gatech.edu" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">milton@gatech.edu</a>>, Accountability Community <<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a>><br><b>Subject:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>RE: [CCWG-ACCT] Board comments on the Mission statement</span><span lang="EN-US" style=""><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "> </span><span lang="EN-US" style=""><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">There is a difference between ICANN having power to “enforce local laws”, as you put it, and ICANN’s ability to enforce its agreements, which have as a reference point, the conduct of “illegal activity” via an indirect use of a domain name. Let’s be very clear – we are talking about the latter; the question of whether the enforcement of specific provisions on their face, would amount to the kind of regulation you and others would like to see prohibited. There are a number of forms that enforcement could take which don’t make ICANN a proxy for local law enforcement. For example, one manifestation of this concept is in RAA 3.18.1, which talks about the maintenance of an abuse contact for reports of illegal activity, which will trigger an obligation to investigate and respond appropriately. RAA 3.7.7.9 is a logical companion to this provision, since it ensures that registrars are able, in accordance with their own terms of service, to address abuse complaints involving illegal activity, as between them and the registrant involved. We know there is a broader discussion about what that should entail, but I am concerned that the language being proposed to prohibit any “direct or indirect” regulation will be used to argue that these contractual provisions are outside ICANN’s mission on their face. </span><span lang="EN-US" style=""><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span><span lang="EN-US" style=""><o:p></o:p></span></div><div><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); padding: 3pt 0cm 0cm; "><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; ">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>David Post [<a href="mailto:david.g.post@gmail.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">mailto:david.g.post@gmail.com</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Monday, November 23, 2015 11:22 AM<br><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Silver, Bradley<br><b>Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Burr, Becky; Alan Greenberg; Greg Shatan; Mueller, Milton L; Accountability Cross Community<br><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>RE: [CCWG-ACCT] Board comments on the Mission statement</span><span lang="EN-US" style=""><o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span lang="EN-US" style=""> <o:p></o:p></span></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 12pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span lang="EN-US" style=""><br>Well, this is illuminating ... <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><br>I take it that at least you and Greg (and perhaps others) think that it is within ICANN's power to enforce, via its power over the DNS entries, local pornography laws, or consumer protection laws, or defamation laws, or ... on the grounds that registrants have to promise not to infringe any rights of any third parties in any activity they undertake "on the website to which the domain points." So ICANN can set up a Pornography Dispute Resolution Procedure, a Consumer Protection Dispute Resolution Procedure, a Defamation Dispute Resolution Procedure, to enforce these promises that registrants have supposedly made and to take down violators. <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><br>My response is: I don't think they have that power at present, I don't think they have had that since the beginning of (ICANN) time, and I sure as heck don't want to them to have it once they are in control of the root and USG oversight is removed.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><br>David<br><br><br>At 10:51 AM 11/23/2015, Silver, Bradley wrote:<br><br><br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span lang="EN-US" style="">David,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br> <br>That’s an overly narrow reading of RAA 3.7.7.9  - its not only that the registration of the Registered Name infringes or its “direct useâ€, but also that the manner in which is<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><i>indirectly</i>is used. I can’t see how the “indirect†use of the domain cannot also be attributed to infringing uses on the website to which the domain points.  If that’s not at least an “indirect†use, I don’t know what is.   While I agree with your conclusion, I don’t agree with the reasoning, and I expect there are others (like Milton) who would like to see the clear meaning of the language of 3.7.7.9 changed through the application of the “no regulation†sentence. <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br> <br>Bradley<br> <br><b>From:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>David Post [<a href="mailto:david.g.post@gmail.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>mailto:david.g.post@gmail.com</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Monday, November 23, 2015 10:37 AM<br><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Burr, Becky<br><b>Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Alan Greenberg; Silver, Bradley; Greg Shatan; Mueller, Milton L; Accountability Cross Community<br><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Board comments on the Mission statement<br> <br>At 10:03 AM 11/23/2015, Burr, Becky wrote:<br><br><br>Are we seriously arguing that RAA 3.7.7.9 is outside the picket fence? <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><br>No, I don't think this was out of scope, because it concerns the "registration" of the name and the manner in which THE NAME is used. 3.7.7.9 does not say, in my opnion, that the registrant has to promise that it is not doing anything at a website that is infringing; the promise is that the name is not being used in an infringing manner.<br><br>D<br><br>At 10:03 AM 11/23/2015, Burr, Becky wrote:<br><br><br>Are we seriously arguing that RAA 3.7.7.9 is outside the picket fence? <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><br>Section 3.7.7.9 of the RAA has been in place from the beginning of time. Here is the language from the 2001 RAA:<br>3.7.7.9 The Registered Name Holder shall represent that, to the best of the Registered Name Holder's knowledge and belief, neither the registration of the Registered Name nor the manner in which it is directly or indirectly used infringes the legal rights of any third party.<br>Here it is in the 1999 RAA:<br>7. g. The SLD holder shall represent that, to the best of the SLD holder's knowledge and belief, neither the registration of the SLD name nor the manner in which it is directly or indirectly used infringes the legal rights of a third party.<br><br>As someone who was part of the team drafting and negotiating the 1999 RAA, I can assure you that the inclusion of this requirement in the RAA was intended to be within the scope of ICANN’s Mission.<br><br><br>J. Beckwith Burr<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>Neustar, Inc. / Deputy General Counsel & Chief Privacy Officer<br>1775 Pennsylvania Avenue NW, Washington D.C. 20006<br>Office: +1.202.533.2932 Mobile: +1.202.352.6367 /<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://www.neustar.biz" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">neustar.biz</a><br><br>From: Alan Greenberg <<a href="mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>><br>Date: Sunday, November 22, 2015 at 10:06 PM<br>To: "Silver, Bradley" <<a href="mailto:Bradley.Silver@timewarner.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Bradley.Silver@timewarner.com</a>>, Greg Shatan <<a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>>, "Mueller, Milton L" <<a href="mailto:milton@gatech.edu" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">milton@gatech.edu</a>><br>Cc: Accountability Community <<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a>><br>Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Board comments on the Mission statement<br><br>I rarely fill people's mailboxes just to do this, but in this case;<br><br>+1<br><br>Alan<br><br><br>At 22/11/2015 08:31 PM, Silver, Bradley wrote:<br><br><br>I want to echo and support Greg’s resposposponse below. Milton’s position that an en existinting provision of the RAA is out of the scope of ICANNâ€Ã¢Ã¢„¢s mission is illuminating. sp; I had been operating on the (hopeful) presumption that what we were attempting to do was find a way to describe ICANN’s missionion in a manner that refleflects its current activities, and avoid drafting anything that could adversely impact its continued ability to do so while clearly preventing any undue expansion. If those who support the language in the second sentence are seeking a way to attack the validity or enforceability of existing contractual provisions, then the concerns of the board are not only well founded, they are grossly understated. <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br> <br>From:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a>] On Behalf Of Greg Shatan<br>Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2015 3:01 AM<br>To: Mueller, Milton L<br>Cc: Accountability Cross Community<br>Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Board comments on the Mission statement<br> <br>Milton,<br> <br>I strongly disagree that 3.7.7 is out of scope of ICANN's mission. I also don't think it's useless, nor is it an uncommon provision in many terms of service and similar agreements. 3.7.7 only asks for the registrant's "knowledge and belief" -- so they are not required to know whether they are infringing anywhere under any jurisdiction. They are only required to make reference to what they already know -- an entirely reasonable and ordinary requirement.<br> <br>Is it your intent that the new provision we are discussing places 3.7.7 out of scope, and thus serves as a basis for an IRP or other challenge seeking to nullify 3.7.7? Since 3.7.7 is only an "example," what other sections are you trying to place out of scope?<br> <br>Thanks.<br> <br>Greg<br> <br>On Sat, Nov 21, 2015 at 5:56 PM, Mueller, Milton L <<a href="mailto:milton@gatech.edu" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">milton@gatech.edu</a>> wrote:<br><br><br>> -----Original Message-----<br>><br>> See section 3.7.7 of the registrar accreditation agreement (RAA):<br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.icann.org_resources_pages_approved-2Dwith-2Dspecs-2D2013-2D09-2D17-2Den&d=CwMFaQ&c=MOptNlVtIETeDALC_lULrw&r=62cJFOifzm6X_GRlaq8Mo8TjDmrxdYahOP8WDDkMr4k&m=11R4XkcvGwOIsQkhhyE47Z7B829g9E2Cip1amJSBQu0&s=5ThaiusaRSYwZuxG3vlUf8hTsMh251yjw_-T7i4DOFg&e=" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/approved-with-specs-2013-09-17-en</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>><br>> 3.7.7.9 The Registered Name Holder shall represent that, to the best of the<br>> Registered Name Holder's knowledge and belief, neither the registration of<br>> the Registered Name nor the manner in which it is directly or indirectly used<br>> infringes the legal rights of any third party.<br><br>Bruce: this is a good example of how the RAA is currently out of scope. To begin with, it is a completely useless element of the RAA. This statement does not stop anyone from doing anything, and it does not require ICANN to determine whether a registrant is infringing someone's rights. And how is anyone supposed to know whether the way they use a domain infringes the legal rights of a third party - anywhere in the world, under any jurisdiction? They cannot know this until and unless someone asserts those rights against them in a legal system which has jurisdiction and can make a legal determination. Or do we want ICANN to be making this determination? Most would agree that we do not. 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