<div dir="ltr">hi Julie<div><br></div><div>Yes, that is a good point.</div><div><br></div><div>More precisely formulated, and as discussed on the WP1 calls yesterday, this is what I mean:</div><div><br></div><div>"When the new accountability system is put in place, the Bylaws will provide for a certain list of SOs and ACs to be able to register their preferences which count towards decisions about using or not using the powers.</div><div><br></div><div>"These are labelled, for want of a better term, <i style="font-weight:bold">decisional participants</i>.</div><div><br></div><div>"Those SOs and ACs that are decisional participants will be able to express their support for or objection to the use of a power, or express no view at all, and their views will be considered in deciding whether the threshold to exercise a power is reached.</div><div><br></div><div>"Any other SO and AC and indeed any other person will be able to register a view through the Community Forum about the use of any community power. They just won't have the right to have their views counted in making decisions about the use of a power.</div><div><br></div><div>"The Decisional Participants will need to be listed in the bylaws and so will need to be specified in the Third Draft Report. If a named SO and AC the CCWG identifies as Decisional does not wish to be, they will need to say so in their response to the report. </div><div><br></div><div>"In such a case, a supplementary report would need to be prepared for Chartering Organisations with a changed list of Decisional Participants. Our current Third Draft Report also identifies that in such a case, the voting thresholds may need to be reconsidered."</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>I hope this helps</div><div><br></div><div>best</div><div>Jordan</div><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 24 November 2015 at 10:37, Julie Hammer <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:julie.hammer@bigpond.com" target="_blank">julie.hammer@bigpond.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word">Hi Jordan,<div><br></div><div>It might be an idea to use very precise language when making this request for confirmation from SO/ACs. For example, SSAC has stated that it does not wish to take on any role in <b>exercising community powers</b>, but will continue to <b>provide its input</b> on security and stability aspects in a purely advisory capacity (ie <b>participate</b>). This may take the form of providing such advice in the Community Forum, <span style="color:rgb(0,0,10)">with the objective that the community be able to judge that advice on its merits and take it into consideration in its decision making.</span></div>
<div><br></div><div>Cheers, Julie</div><div><div class="h5"><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On 24 Nov 2015, at 7:01 AM, Jordan Carter <<a href="mailto:jordan@internetnz.net.nz" target="_blank">jordan@internetnz.net.nz</a>> wrote:</div><br><div><div dir="ltr">hi Greg,<div><br></div><div>Yes, that's the idea...</div><div><br></div><div>best</div><div>Jordan</div><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 23 November 2015 at 08:49, Greg Shatan <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com" target="_blank">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Sorry I was unable to make the WP-1 call today. Can someone clarify what this means?</div><span><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,255);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.3333px">ACTION ITEM: CoChairs to </span><span style="color:rgb(0,0,255);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.3333px">request that SO/AC </span><span style="color:rgb(0,0,255);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.3333px">confirmation of participation </span><span style="color:rgb(0,0,255);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.3333px">be sent along with input on </span><span style="color:rgb(0,0,255);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.3333px">third draft proposal</span><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,255);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.3333px"><br></span></div></span><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><font><span style="font-size:13.3333px">Does this mean that the SO/ACs will be asked to confirm that they will participate in the Sole Designator/Empowered Community? And that this confirmation is being requested with the input expected on or around December 21, 2015?</span></font></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><font><span style="font-size:13.3333px"><br></span></font></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><font><span style="font-size:13.3333px">Thanks!</span></font></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><font><span style="font-size:13.3333px"><br></span></font></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><font><span style="font-size:13.3333px">Greg</span></font></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div>On Sun, Nov 22, 2015 at 2:10 PM, Brenda Brewer <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:brenda.brewer@icann.org" target="_blank">brenda.brewer@icann.org</a>></span> wrote:<br></div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div><div lang="EN-US" link="#0563C1" vlink="#954F72"><div><p class="MsoNormal">Hello all,<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">The notes, recordings and transcripts for the WP-1 meeting on 22 November will be available here:<span style="color:#1f497d"> </span> <span style="color:#1f497d"><a href="https://community.icann.org/x/XMJYAw" target="_blank">https://community.icann.org/x/XMJYAw</a><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">A copy of the notes and action items may be found below.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Thank you<span style="color:#1f497d">.</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Kind regards,<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Brenda<u></u><u></u></p><div style="border:none;border-bottom:solid windowtext 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 1.0pt 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><h3 style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">Action Item<u></u><u></u></span></h3><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0in;background:white"><u></u><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#333333"><span>·<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><u></u><strong><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:blue">ACTION ITEM: CoChairs to request that SO/AC confirmation of participation be sent along with input on third draft proposal</span></strong><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0in;background:white"><u></u><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#333333"><span>·<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><u></u><strong><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:blue">ACTION ITEM: Determine where full IRP process should be added </span></strong><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333"><u></u><u></u></span></p><h3 style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white"><strong><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">Notes</span></strong><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333"><u></u><u></u></span></h3><p style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white;text-align:start;word-spacing:0px"><em><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">These high-level notes are designed to help you navigate through content of the call and do not substitute in any way the transcript.</span></em><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white;text-align:start;word-spacing:0px"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">LInk to docs: <a href="https://community.icann.org/x/eLRYAw" target="_blank"><span style="color:#3b73af">https://community.icann.org/x/eLRYAw</span></a><u></u><u></u></span></p><p style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:22.5pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white;text-align:start;word-spacing:0px"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">- No discussion of decision threshold in engagement/escalation - it needs to be added to the powers<u></u><u></u></span></p><p style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:22.5pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white;text-align:start;word-spacing:0px"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">- IANA Functions review language should be further elaborated. <u></u><u></u></span></p><p style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:22.5pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white;text-align:start;word-spacing:0px"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">- IRP, separation processes need to be described in detail<u></u><u></u></span></p><p style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:22.5pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white;text-align:start;word-spacing:0px"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:blue">ACTION ITEM: Determine where full IRP process should be added </span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:22.5pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white;text-align:start;word-spacing:0px"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">- Rights of inspection: there is a generic reference - its needs to be made explicit that rights of inspection equivalent to member's<u></u><u></u></span></p><p style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:22.5pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white;text-align:start;word-spacing:0px"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">DIDP should be subject to IRP - this is unclear in WS2 <u></u><u></u></span></p><p style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:22.5pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white;text-align:start;word-spacing:0px"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">DIDP appeals mechanisms <u></u><u></u></span></p><p style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:22.5pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white;text-align:start;word-spacing:0px"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">- Human Rights - add 'if any' in human rights appendix <u></u><u></u></span></p><p style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:22.5pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white;text-align:start;word-spacing:0px"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">- Ombudsman improvements missing from WS2<u></u><u></u></span></p><p style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:22.5pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white;text-align:start;word-spacing:0px"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">- Add table of required threshold to core proposal<u></u><u></u></span></p><p style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:22.5pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white;text-align:start;word-spacing:0px"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">- Consider reordering sections (staff to refer to Jordan's request)<u></u><u></u></span></p><p style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:22.5pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white;text-align:start;word-spacing:0px"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">-Articles should be subject to co-decision but lower threshold than Fundamental Bylaws<u></u><u></u></span></p><p style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:22.5pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white;text-align:start;word-spacing:0px"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">Protection should be offered to Articles of Incorporation at level of membership model<u></u><u></u></span></p><p style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:22.5pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white;text-align:start;word-spacing:0px"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">Other views that should be on same protection as Fundamental Bylaw<u></u><u></u></span></p><p style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:22.5pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white;text-align:start;word-spacing:0px"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">- Reinsert AOC tables into annex 9<u></u><u></u></span></p><p style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:22.5pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white;text-align:start;word-spacing:0px"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:blue">ACTION ITEM: CoChairs to request that SO/AC confirmation of participation be sent along with input on third draft proposal</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div></div><br></div></div>_______________________________________________<br>
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