<div dir="ltr"><div><div><div>Hello,<br><br></div>With respect; one of the problem in this process is that there has been quite a lot of unnecessary mis-interpretation, attacks and some level of attempts to intimidate. Some of us have continued to participate irrespective of this (perhaps because we are more tolerating) but i can assure you that a number of people may have been affected/discouraged by such acts.<br><br></div>All that I have suggested is that Minority statements be attributed appropriately, so those who have not been following can put things in perspective. I have no idea of the difficulty in doing that; since a member is representing chartering organization and intends to write on-behalf, then he/she should word the statement as such. It just seem like a logical thing to do. However, as you have rightly stated, I am just a participant and my suggestion can of-course be discarded. <br><br></div><div>All from me on this subject.<br></div><div><br></div>Regards <br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 6:31 PM, Nigel Roberts <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:nigel@channelisles.net" target="_blank">nigel@channelisles.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Seun<br>
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There is no practical way anyone in the Chartering Organisations can have followed even a scintilla of this insane process.<br>
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We (the chartering organisations) appoint Members. That's representative democracy.<br>
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You and I are mere participants, are we not, and I think we owe it to the process (such as remains of it) not to try and tell the Members how to do the job they were appointed to do.<br>
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I shall, at least, refrain, from that (much as I would like to).<span class=""><br>
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On 30/11/15 16:23, Seun Ojedeji wrote:<br>
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On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 4:53 PM, Mueller, Milton L <<a href="mailto:milton@gatech.edu" target="_blank">milton@gatech.edu</a><br></span><span class="">
<mailto:<a href="mailto:milton@gatech.edu" target="_blank">milton@gatech.edu</a>>> wrote:<br>
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FWIW, Robin’s dissent is fully in line with the official comments<br>
submitted by the Noncommercial Stakeholders Group during the last<br>
public comment period.<br>
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SO: Thats fine, especially if the NCSG still believes that the concerns<br>
raised during the second public comment has still not been addressed.<br>
Therefore, I would expect some of the wordings of Robin's mail to be<br></span>
written with a "collective" sense to it (e.g "..Additionally, *I* object<br>
to...", would have read "...Additionally, *We* object to...") or there<span class=""><br>
should be a line/footer indicating that the "individual" view has been<br>
endorsed by the NCSG or even by the GNSO (if applicable as NCSG is not<br>
solely a chartering organization per-see[1])<br>
<br>
My goal is not to determine whether a minority statement is right or<br>
wrong, my main point is that we ensure individual opinions are clearly<br>
differentiated from Chartering organization opinions as the document is<br>
expected to communicate to those who may not have been following this<br>
process. This is somewhat our last shot and it should communicate<br>
intent as much as possible.<br>
<br>
Regards<br>
1. <a href="https://community.icann.org/display/acctcrosscomm/Charter" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://community.icann.org/display/acctcrosscomm/Charter</a><br>
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Behalf Of *Robin Gross<br>
*Sent:* Sunday, November 29, 2015 6:41 PM<br>
*To:* Thomas Rickert<br>
*Cc:* <a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org" target="_blank">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a><br>
<mailto:<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org" target="_blank">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a>> Community<br>
*Subject:* Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Minority statements inclusion in report____<br>
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Thanks, Thomas. See below.____<br>
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*Dissenting Opinion of Member Robin Gross (GNSO-NSCG)*____<br>
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The CCWG-Accountability make a number of helpful recommendations to<br>
improve organizational accountability at ICANN, however one aspect<br>
of the plan is deeply flawed: changing the role of ICANN's<br>
Governmental Advisory Committee (GAC) from purely an “advisory” role<br>
to a “decision making” role over fundamental matters at ICANN,<br>
including its governance. Consequently the proposal marginalizes<br>
the role of Supporting Organizations (SO’s) compared to today’s<br>
ICANN governance structure. The degree of governmental empowerment<br>
over ICANN resulting from the proposal’s community mechanism is<br>
dangerous to the success of the proposal’s political acceptance as<br></span>
well as to its ultimate impact on a free and open Internet.____<br>
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The creation of a community mechanism to hold ICANN accountable on<br>
key issues made a critical error by departing from the existing<br>
power balance between SO’s and AC’s as determined by relative board<br>
appointments. Instead, the proposed community mechanism elevates<br>
the AC’s relative to the SO’s compared with today’s balance on<br>
ICANN's board of directors, which does not currently provide a<br>
decision making role to GAC, and which retains the primacy of the<br>
Supporting Organizations on key decisions, particularly those within<br>
the SO’s mandate. The devaluing of the Supporting Organizations in<br>
ICANN’s key decisions was a common theme in both previous public<br>
comment periods, however the recommendations not only failed to<br>
address this widespread concern, but went even further in devaluing<br>
SO’s in the community mechanism in the 3rd report. The community<br>
mechanism failed to take into account the appropriate roles and<br>
responsibilities of the various SO’s and AC’s, and the dangers<br>
inherent in changing those roles with a “one size fits all” approach<br></span>
to critical decision making. ____<br>
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Additionally, I object to the proposed departure from ICANN’s<br>
typical 30-day public comment period on the 3rd report for<br>
CCWG-Accountability. The 3rd report’s public comment only allows<br>
for 9 days of public comment after the language translations are<br>
scheduled to be published, which is far too short of a public<br>
comment period for a report of this significance and with so many<br></span>
important changes since previous drafts.____<br>
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Robin Gross____<br>
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On Nov 29, 2015, at 1:29 PM, Thomas Rickert <<a href="mailto:thomas@rickert.net" target="_blank">thomas@rickert.net</a><br></span>
<mailto:<a href="mailto:thomas@rickert.net" target="_blank">thomas@rickert.net</a>>> wrote:____<br>
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Dear Robin,____<span class=""><br>
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as discussed during the last CCWG call, minority statements will<br>
be included in the report as appendices if and when they are<br></span>
received.____<br>
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Best,____<br>
<br>
Thomas ____<br>
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<a href="http://rickert.net" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">rickert.net</a> <<a href="http://rickert.net/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://rickert.net/</a>>____<br>
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Am 29.11.2015 um 21:37 schrieb Robin Gross <<a href="mailto:robin@ipjustice.org" target="_blank">robin@ipjustice.org</a><br></span>
<mailto:<a href="mailto:robin@ipjustice.org" target="_blank">robin@ipjustice.org</a>>>:____<span class=""><br>
<br>
Dear Co-Chairs,<br>
<br>
I have still not received a response to this request. What<br>
is the process for submitting minority statements? Please<br>
advise.<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
Robin<br>
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On Nov 11, 2015, at 5:35 PM, Robin Gross<br></span>
<<a href="mailto:robin@ipjustice.org" target="_blank">robin@ipjustice.org</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:robin@ipjustice.org" target="_blank">robin@ipjustice.org</a>>><br>
wrote:____<br>
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Dear Co-Chairs,____<br>
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Could you please advise on the proposed schedule and<br>
process for ensuring that minority statements will be<br></span>
included in the report [of the executive summary]?____<br>
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Thank you,____<br>
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Robin____<br>
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