<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">I think "on its face" expresses that thought more clearly and accurately than "without context". Or we could just put "itself" in that spot, since Becky's last email itself was clear.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Greg</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 3:58 PM, Burr, Becky <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:Becky.Burr@neustar.biz" target="_blank">Becky.Burr@neustar.biz</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span><Silver>, Bradley <<a href="mailto:Bradley.Silver@timewarner.com" target="_blank">Bradley.Silver@timewarner.com</a>><br>
</span><span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Tuesday, December 1, 2015 at 3:50 PM<span class=""><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span>"Mueller, Milton L" <<a href="mailto:milton@gatech.edu" target="_blank">milton@gatech.edu</a>>, Becky Burr <<a href="mailto:becky.burr@neustar.biz" target="_blank">becky.burr@neustar.biz</a>>, David Post <<a href="mailto:david.g.post@gmail.com" target="_blank">david.g.post@gmail.com</a>><br>
</span><span style="font-weight:bold">Cc: </span>Thomas Rickert <<a href="mailto:thomas@rickert.net" target="_blank">thomas@rickert.net</a>>, Accountability Community <<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org" target="_blank">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a>><div><div class="h5"><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d">Some context for my tweaks – <u></u>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d">I don’t know what is meant by a “free standing case”, and the words “without context” seem like a potentially broad carve out to the grandfathering language. The sentence was tweaked to clarify that the provisions
of such agreement are “on their face”, within the mission. It also doesn’t prejudice the rights of any third party to seek redress under an IRP. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d">No rights are expanded by this language.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif"> Mueller, Milton L [<a href="mailto:milton@gatech.edu" target="_blank">mailto:milton@gatech.edu</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, December 01, 2015 3:45 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Silver, Bradley; Burr, Becky; David Post<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Thomas Rickert; Accountability Cross Community<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [CCWG-ACCT] Minority statements inclusion in report<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d">Do not support. Becky’s original wording is better.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> <a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">
accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a> [<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Silver, Bradley<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, December 1, 2015 3:27 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Mueller, Milton L; Burr, Becky; David Post<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Thomas Rickert; Accountability Cross Community<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Minority statements inclusion in report<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p>Suggested tweak – <u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">It means that the parties who entered into existing contracts intended (and intend) to be bound by those agreements<span style="background:yellow">. It means that neither a contracting party nor anyone else
should be able to bring a case that any provisions of such agreements on their face, are ultra vires.</span> It does not, however, modify any contracting party’s right to challenge the other party¹s interpretation of that language. It does not modify the
right of any <span style="background:yellow">person or entity</span> materially affected (as defined in the Bylaws) by an action or inaction in violation ICANN¹s Bylaws to seek redress through an IRP. Nor does it modify the scope of ICANN’s
Mission.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p>-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Mueller, Milton L [<a href="mailto:milton@gatech.edu" target="_blank">mailto:milton@gatech.edu</a>]
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Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2015 3:02 PM<br>
To: Burr, Becky; Silver, Bradley; David Post<br>
Cc: Thomas Rickert; Accountability Cross Community<br>
Subject: RE: [CCWG-ACCT] Minority statements inclusion in report<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p>Acceptable to me, thanks. David? Malcolm?<u></u><u></u></p>
<p>--MM<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p>> -----Original Message-----<u></u><u></u></p>
<p>> From: Burr, Becky [<a href="mailto:Becky.Burr@neustar.biz" target="_blank"><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">mailto:Becky.Burr@neustar.biz</span></a>]<u></u><u></u></p>
<p>> Sent: Tuesday, December 1, 2015 12:29 PM<u></u><u></u></p>
<p>> To: Silver, Bradley; Mueller, Milton L; David Post<u></u><u></u></p>
<p>> Cc: Thomas Rickert; Accountability Cross Community<u></u><u></u></p>
<p>> Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Minority statements inclusion in report<u></u><u></u></p>
<p>> <u></u><u></u></p>
<p>> I have no problem providing additional guidance to the drafters:<u></u><u></u></p>
<p>> <u></u><u></u></p>
<p>> What does it mean that the language of these agreements are
<u></u><u></u></p>
<p>> grandfathered?<u></u><u></u></p>
<p>> It means that the parties who entered into existing contracts
<u></u><u></u></p>
<p>> intended (and<u></u><u></u></p>
<p>> intend) to be bound by those agreements. It means that neither a
<u></u><u></u></p>
<p>> contracting party or anyone else should be able to bring a free
<u></u><u></u></p>
<p>> standing case that the language, without context, is ultra vires. It
<u></u><u></u></p>
<p>> does not, however, modify any contracting party¹s right to challenge
<u></u><u></u></p>
<p>> the other party¹s interpretation of that language. It does not modify
<u></u><u></u></p>
<p>> the right of any party materially affected (as defined in the Bylaws)
<u></u><u></u></p>
<p>> by an action or inaction in violation ICANN¹s Bylaws to seek redress
<u></u><u></u></p>
<p>> through an IRP. Nor does it modify the scope of ICANN¹s Mission.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p>> <u></u><u></u></p>
<p>> <u></u><u></u></p>
<p>> <u></u><u></u></p>
<p>> J. Beckwith Burr<u></u><u></u></p>
<p>> Neustar, Inc. / Deputy<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p>> <<a href="http://www.neustar.biz" target="_blank"><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">http://www.neustar.biz</span></a>><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p>> On 12/1/15, 12:18 PM, "Silver, Bradley" <u></u><u></u></p>
<p>> <<a href="mailto:Bradley.Silver@timewarner.com" target="_blank"><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">Bradley.Silver@timewarner.com</span></a>><u></u><u></u></p>
<p>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p>> >Milton - who is the "other party" in your suggested amendment below?<u></u><u></u></p>
<p>> ><u></u><u></u></p>
<p>> >-----Original Message-----<u></u><u></u></p>
<p>> >From: Mueller, Milton L [<a href="mailto:milton@gatech.edu" target="_blank"><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">mailto:milton@gatech.edu</span></a>]<u></u><u></u></p>
<p>> >Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2015 12:13 PM<u></u><u></u></p>
<p>> >To: Burr, Becky; David Post; Silver, Bradley<u></u><u></u></p>
<p>> >Cc: Thomas Rickert; Accountability Cross Community<u></u><u></u></p>
<p>> >Subject: RE: [CCWG-ACCT] Minority statements inclusion in report<u></u><u></u></p>
<p>> ><u></u><u></u></p>
<p>> ><u></u><u></u></p>
<p>> >> -----Original Message-----<u></u><u></u></p>
<p>> >> It means that the parties who entered into existing contracts
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<p>> >> intended (and<u></u><u></u></p>
<p>> >> intend) to be bound by those agreements. It means that neither a
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<p>> >> contracting party or anyone else should be able to bring a free
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<p>> >> standing case that the language, without context, is ultra vires.
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<p>> >> It does not, however, modify any contracting party¹s right to
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<p>> >> challenge the other party¹s interpretation of that language. Nor
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<p>> >> does it modify the scope of ICANN¹s Mission.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p>> ><u></u><u></u></p>
<p>> >This is reassuring, Becky, but I want it to be clear.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p>> ><u></u><u></u></p>
<p>> >Are you willing to add to the current report the following language:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p>> >The grandfathering statement, however, cannot be used to modify the<u></u><u></u></p>
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