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+ 1 Milton - absolutely!<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 02/12/2015 18:46, Mueller, Milton L
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Greg:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">FYI,
the survey link worked for me.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Agree
that the distinction between comments of Chartering orgs and
general public is confusing.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">We
should have a complete and open public comment period, and
then allow the chartering orgs to make up their mind. To my
mind, that should be sequential rather than simultaneous,
otherwise doubts could be raised about whether the public
comment is meaningful.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span
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<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org">accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a>
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org">mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Greg Shatan<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, December 2, 2015 1:34 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [CCWG-ACCT] Issues with Providing
Public Comments on CCWG-Accountability Proposal<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">All:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Two
issues with public comments. The first is primarily
logistical. The second is more fundamental. Both are
frustrating.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">First,
the "SurveyMonkey" link for the survey to respond to
the Proposal is not working. The link is <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/ccwg-acct-draftproposal"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/ccwg-acct-draftproposal">https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/ccwg-acct-draftproposal</a></a>
and the response is <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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webpage is not available<o:p></o:p></span></h1>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">In
any event, it can be difficult to see all of a survey
in advance so that responses can be drafted, reviewed
and revised appropriately before being entered into
the survey. Can a PDF or other version of the entire
survey be circulated here and posted on the public
comment page as soon as humanly possible, please?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Second,
the public comment page at
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.icann.org/public-comments/draft-ccwg-accountability-proposal-2015-11-30-en">https://www.icann.org/public-comments/draft-ccwg-accountability-proposal-2015-11-30-en</a> has
the following statement:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333">The
six Chartering Organizations for the
CCWG-Accountability are asked to indicate their
support for the recommendations in this proposal. At
the same time, public participants not involved with a
Chartering Organization are invited to comment on the
proposal. </span><span
style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#333333">This
implies that the public comment period is limited to
"public participants not involved with a Chartering
Organization." </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#333333">Does
this mean that, for example, the Intellectual Property
Constituency is somehow barred from public comment? </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#333333">Does
this also mean that our members, e.g., INTA, are also
barred from public comment (since they are "involved"
with the GNSO through membership in the IPC)?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#333333">Does
this also mean that members of our members, e.g.,
"Company X" (a member of INTA), is barred from public
comment (since they are "involved" with the GNSO
through INTA's membership in the IPC)?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#333333">How
about members of the GAC and the ccNSO? Are all the
members barred from commenting as well?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#333333">If
any of the above are not barred from public comment,
will their public comments somehow be discounted
because they are involved with a Chartering
Organization, thus not "invited" to comment, and also
assumed to have another outlet for their comments?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#333333">At
the very least, it is confusing and off-putting. At
worst, it could have the effect of chasing away
potential commenters due to their "involvement" with a
Chartering Organization.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#333333">Clarification
would be most appreciated.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#333333">Greg</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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