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<p class="59b759a3-ab1f-4afe-a103-b432f0192d76">I fully agree with Becky's learned counsel. <br>
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<font face="Tahoma" size="2"><b>From:</b> Burr, Becky<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, December 14, 2015 04:11:20 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Kavouss Arasteh; Rosemary E. Fei<br>
<b>Cc:</b> ICANN-Adler; Thomas Rickert; Accountability Cross Community; ACCT-Staff (acct-staff@icann.org); Sidley ICANN CCWG<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Resolution of Mission Language related to regulation and contract<br>
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<div><font face="Calibri,sans-serif">I agree with Kavouss that we are possibly embarking on a task with no sensible output here. We have said clearly that by grandfathering we mean that parties intended (and intend) to be bound to the terms of the registry
agreement, including PICs. (It probably should mean that applicants intend to be bound by the terms of their application as well.) My prediction is that the lawyers will look at PICs – the many hundreds that there are – and say “Whether or not these PICs
are within ICANN’s Mission </font><i><font face="Calibri,sans-serif">depends – as is the case today - </font></i><font face="Calibri,sans-serif">in substantial part, on the manner in which the registry operator implements the specific commitment and the manner
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<div><font face="Calibri,sans-serif">As a lawyer, I would be very reluctant to make pronouncements about whether or not a specific provision will be enforceable in every conceivable case. Rather, I would want to first know the specific facts that give rise
to a dispute about its enforceability, and even then would be well-advised to remind my audience that my opinion is limited to the specific factual situation under consideration. </font></div>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span>Kavouss Arasteh <<a href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com">kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Saturday, December 12, 2015 at 3:23 AM<br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span>"Rosemary E. Fei" <<a href="mailto:rfei@adlercolvin.com">rfei@adlercolvin.com</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Cc: </span>ICANN-Adler <<a href="mailto:ICANN@adlercolvin.com">ICANN@adlercolvin.com</a>>, Thomas Rickert <<a href="mailto:thomas@rickert.net">thomas@rickert.net</a>>, Accountability Community <<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a>>,
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<span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Resolution of Mission Language related to regulation and contract<br>
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<div>Dear Rosemary,</div>
<div>Dear Leon</div>
<div>Dear All,</div>
<div>Before certifying question to be </div>
<div>studied , one need to verify the </div>
<div>practicality and workability of the </div>
<div>study.</div>
<div>Issue 1 </div>
<div>How many PICs have been </div>
<div>received? Perhaps some 500</div>
<div>Issue 2</div>
<div>How many were expected </div>
<div>to have been received? Perhaps</div>
<div>About 1930, equal to the No. </div>
<div> of strings gTLDs</div>
<div>Issue 3</div>
<div>How many supplementary PICs</div>
<div>Were submitted by applicants? No </div>
<div>Real statistics</div>
<div>Issue 4</div>
<div>Are there any typical or some </div>
<div>typical PIC or PICs available?</div>
<div>Issue 5</div>
<div>What the meaning of term </div>
<div>"typical PIC "in legal language?</div>
<div>Issue 6</div>
<div>Does a typical PIC, if any, could</div>
<div>cover the objectives of PIC in </div>
<div>general legal terms?</div>
<div>I think we are hijacked by a </div>
<div>question raised which would be </div>
<div>Impractical to study and impractical</div>
<div> to infer ant thing from that.</div>
<div>Now, should we not DROP the </div>
<div>Question?</div>
<div>Regards</div>
<div>Kavouss</div>
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On 12 Dec 2015, at 00:50, Rosemary E. Fei <<a href="mailto:rfei@adlercolvin.com">rfei@adlercolvin.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt; font-family:Arial,sans-serif; color:black">How large is the universe of existing PICs? Perhaps someone on the CCWG could provide us with a representative sampling of existing PICs, and we can then review them
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<b>Sent:</b> Friday, December 11, 2015 3:34 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Holly Gregory<br>
<b>Cc:</b> León Felipe Sánchez Ambía; Sidley ICANN CCWG; ICANN-Adler; ACCT-Staff (<a href="mailto:acct-staff@icann.org">acct-staff@icann.org</a>); Thomas Rickert; Accountability Cross Community<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Resolution of Mission Language related to regulation and contract</span></p>
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