I understand that. But suppose the contract terminated tonight; what things ICANN did today would it be prohibited from doing tomorrow? Entering into contracts with registries and registrars? Holding meetings? Convening working groups? Who could stop them? <div>Without the USG contract, they would lose much, or all, of their 'authority' to act - but that's not the same as saying they would have no "<font size="2"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">right to keep performing the work it was doing after its contract terminates. "</span></font></div><div><font size="2"><span style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.301961);">David<span></span><br></span><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"></span></font><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><br>On Thursday, December 17, 2015, Jordan Carter <<a href="mailto:jordan@internetnz.net.nz">jordan@internetnz.net.nz</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">But ICANN isn't a widget maker. It regulates the top level of the Internet's DNS, albeit not as a regulator of the conventional type.<div><br></div><div>Jordan <span></span><br><br>On Friday, 18 December 2015, David Post <<a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','david.g.post@gmail.com');" target="_blank">david.g.post@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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At 08:36 PM 12/16/2015, Phil Corwin wrote:<br>
<blockquote type="cite">[SNIP]<br>
Respectfully, while I have heard the “just let the contract expireâ€
scenario before I don’t buy it for three reasons. <br>
<br>
First, ICANN has been “hired†under the contract and when it expires
it no longer has any right to manage IANA, no more than any other
contractor has a right to keep performing the work it was doing after its
contract terminates. <br>
</blockquote><br>
Though it may not matter too much, I'm not sure that's strictly true ...
Generally speaking, a government contractor DOES have the right to keep
performing work it was doing under contract after the contract
expires. If I am the recipient of a government contract to make
widgets, or to conduct research, when the contract expires ordinarily I
can go on making widgetsor conducting the research. I think the
same thing is true here. Depending on exactly what you mean by
"managing IANA," there is a great deal that ICANN now does
under its contract with USG that it could simply continue to do when the
contract expires. <br><br>
David<br><br>
<br>
<blockquote type="cite"> <br>
Second, Secretary Strickling is already on the public record saying this
in January 2015 about the FY 2015 prohibition, which is identical to the
one in the FY 16 bill:<br>
<i>We take that seriously. Accordingly, we will not use appropriated
funds to terminate the IANA functions contract with ICANN prior to the
contract's current expiration date of September 30, 2015. Nor will we use
appropriated dollars to amend the cooperative agreement with Verisign to
eliminate NTIA's role in approving changes to the authoritative root zone
file prior to September 30. On these points, there is no ambiguity.<br>
</i>That language puts on NTIA on record as viewing the transition as
something that requires it to actively perform two separate actions.<br>
<br>
Third, and most important, the whole concept of the “transitionâ€
includes NTIA transferring its role to the global multistakeholder
community which has acquired adequate accountability powers, and that
implies an active handoff and not a passive contract expiration.<br>
<br>
But we have lots of other lawyers and policy wonks on this list, so
opinions may vary.<br>
<br>
Best regards, Philip<br>
<br>
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<b>From:</b> Steve DelBianco
[<a>
mailto:sdelbianco@netchoice.org</a>] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, December 16, 2015 8:18 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Phil Corwin; Greg Shatan; Jordan Carter<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Accountability Cross Community<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [CCWG-ACCT] FW: FY16 Appropriations Act Extends IANA
Transition Freeze without DOTCOM Act<br>
<br>
Phil — I don’t tthink the Congressional appropriations language would
prevent the transition “event". NTIA could
simply allow the IANA contract to expire 30-Sep-2016 without spending any
resources whatsoever. The contract could just expire, leaving in
question who has the authority to operate the IANA functions. But
no question who would be operating the root, numbers and protocols the
next day — ICANN would.<br>
<<br>
<br>
So we (the community) should continue developing accountability
mechanisms so we can hold ICANN accountable if/when it takes control of
IANA functions. It could happen on 30-Sep-2016 so let’s be
ready.<br>
<br>
<b>From:
</b><<a>
accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a>> on behalf of
Phil Corwin
<<a>psc@vlaw-dc.com</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Wednesday, December 16, 2015 at 7:56 PM<br>
<b>To: </b>Greg Shatan
<<a>gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>
>, Jordan Carter
<<a>jordan@internetnz.net.nz</a>
><br>
<b>Cc: </b>Accountability Cross Community
<<a>
accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [CCWG-ACCT] FW: FY16 Appropriations Act Extends IANA
Transition Freeze without DOTCOM Act<br>
<br>
NTIA can continue to prepare for the transition, including leading an
interagency review of any Proposal it receives from ICANN. But it is
prohibited from actually effecting the transition until October 1,
2016.<br>
<br>
<br>
<b>From:</b>
<a>
accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a>
[<a>
mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a>] <b>On Behalf
Of </b>Greg Shatan<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, December 16, 2015 5:07 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Jordan Carter<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Accountability Cross Community<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [CCWG-ACCT] FW: FY16 Appropriations Act Extends IANA
Transition Freeze without DOTCOM Act<br>
<br>
As I read this, it does not slow anything down. We were targeting a
transition around September 30, 2015 in any event.<br>
<br>
Greg<br>
<br>
On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 4:48 PM, Jordan Carter
<<a>jordan@internetnz.net.nz</a>
> wrote:<br>
Hi all, hi Milton,<br>
<br>
My understanding of the steps in the timetable was that finalising our
proposal in January was what gave space for a transition in September at
the earliest.<br>
<br>
Are you suggesting that instead it means one of the earlier steps can't
start when it was intended?<br>
<br>
I.e. If NTIA could not start its consideration until 30 Sep then that
does materially change things, timing wise. But if it could still do its
review as part of preparing for a transition, then that wouldn't.<br>
<br>
Maybe we could ask NTIA for their view of the situation too?<br>
<br>
Cheers<br>
Jordan <br><br>
On Thursday, 17 December 2015, Mueller, Milton L
<<a>milton@gatech.edu</a>>
wrote:<br>
This is good news, and I hope the co-chairs of the CCWG all sit down and
read former Congressman Boucher's message out loud - better yet, sing it
to the tune of Jingle Bells! - together. The idea that we have to
truncate our process and twist ourselves into pretzels or cave to
unreasonable demands from the board in order to meet an arbitrary
schedule is now, I think, officially dead.<br>
--MM<br><br>
> -----Original Message-----<br>
> It's also noteworthy that (b) has been added saying that the
restriction shall<br>
> not apply in fiscal year 2017. That's a nice statement of intention
by the<br>
> drafters of this provision that by the commencement of fiscal year
2017 in<br>
> October of next year the transition will be complete.<br>
><br>
> I don't believe that the adoption of this language in any way
reflects a stepping<br>
> back by Congress from the bipartisan consensus which has now been
formed<br>
> in both the House and the Senate to support the IANA transition as
long as the<br>
> NTIA’s originally announced 4 principles for ICANN accountability
are in place<br>
> and are enforceable as part of the transition plan.<br>
><br>
> Please let me know if you have questions.<br>
><br>
> Rick<br>
><br>
> SEC. 539. (a) None of the funds made available by<br>
> 21 this Act may be used to relinquish the responsibility of<br>
> 22 the National Telecommunications and Information Ad ministration,
during<br>
> fiscal year 2016, with respect to<br>
> 24 Internet domain name system functions, including respon-<br>
> 1 sibility with respect to the authoritative root zone file and<br>
> 2 the Internet Assigned Numbers Authority functions.<br>
> 3 (b) Nothwithstanding any other law, subsection (a)<br>
> 4 of this section shall not apply in fiscal year 2017.<br>
><br>
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