<div dir="ltr"><div>Dear All,</div><div>Yes ,</div><div><br></div><div>we have committed ourselves to getting the work done </div><div><font color="#ff0000">Quickly Done , badly done?</font></div><div>and we have a world of people waiting for us to make and end of it.</div><div><font color="#ff0000">To witness a correct work agreed by everybody or a work even objected at the level of CCWG?</font><br><br></div><div> We have been slipping our schedule. While the reasons for slipping the schedule may<br> be legitimate (not always certain of that) it does not mean we haven't<br> slipped on promises.</div><div><br></div><div><font color="#ff0000">Promisses to whom? there is no deadline but just objectives</font></div><div><br></div><div> We continue to slip. I think this commits us to do<br> our best to just keep putting one foot in front of the other and<br> continuing to do our best to get the work done.</div><div><br></div><div><font color="#ff0000">Yes, we have to go forward but not merely by dobbling the calls' number and their duration. We need to have a valid Schedule and valid work plan and review ,and if necessary revise our working method</font></div><div><br></div><div> That is not done by<br> taking a leisurely time, but is one the aided by focusing on the work<br> intensively.<br></div><div><br></div><div><font color="#ff0000">Focusing on works intensively does not necerssirily means 8 calls each 3 hours in 24 days.without an overall agenda of the works and without working strategy and work plan </font></div><font color="#ff0000"></font><div><br> I still think we should be considering intensive online working weekends.</div><div><br></div><div><font color="#ff0000">We have had in the past few 3 hours meeting/calls which was not efficient. No meeting lasts more than 1,30 mints thus there is a need to break.<br></font><br> I also think it may be time for the members among us (I am not one) to<br> do some deciding on the issues where we still do not have full<br> consensus.</div><div><br></div><div><font color="#ff0000">Therte are several areas in which there is not full consensus at this stage. Moreover, reviewing ICANN Board's comments more divergence were created..After receiving public comments, situation may get worse.</font></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div> For example, if at the end of the intense work period in<br> January we are still arguing about some details, they should decide on<br> those issues, </div><div><br></div><div><font color="#ff0000">Who should devicides on those issues?</font></div><div><br></div><div>we should document that fact, and move on.we should </div><div><br></div><div><font color="#ff0000">Documentsing the divergence and move on what?</font><br><br></div><div><font color="#ff0000">We need to understand the golden rule of negotiation,mutual respect, mutual understanding and equality of rights</font></div><div><font color="#ff0000">Tks</font></div><div><font color="#ff0000">Kavouss </font></div><div> </div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2015-12-29 19:26 GMT+01:00 Chartier, Mike S <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mike.s.chartier@intel.com" target="_blank">mike.s.chartier@intel.com</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Avri,<br>
I'm a little confused. What do you mean by "they should decide on those issues"?<br>
<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
Mike<br>
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> On Dec 29, 2015, at 1:07 PM, Avri Doria <<a href="mailto:avri@acm.org">avri@acm.org</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> Hi,<br>
><br>
> I am not into rushing.<br>
> And certainly not into rushing for rushing sake.<br>
><br>
> But we have committed ourselves to getting the work done and we have a<br>
> world of people waiting for us to make and end of it. We have been<br>
> slipping our schedule. While the reasons for slipping the schedule may<br>
> be legitimate (not always certain of that) it does not mean we haven't<br>
> slipped on promises. We continue to slip. I think this commits us to do<br>
> our best to just keep putting one foot in front of the other and<br>
> continuing to do our best to get the work done. That is not done by<br>
> taking a leisurely time, but is one the aided by focusing on the work<br>
> intensively.<br>
><br>
> I still think we should be considering intensive online working weekends.<br>
><br>
> I also think it may be time for the members among us (I am not one) to<br>
> do some deciding on the issues where we still do not have full<br>
> consensus. For example, if at the end of the intense work period in<br>
> January we are still arguing about some details, they should decide on<br>
> those issues, we should document that fact, and move on.<br>
><br>
> avri<br>
><br>
>> On 29-Dec-15 12:15, Kavouss Arasteh wrote:<br>
>> Yes<br>
>> Some people rush and rush.<br>
>> In some of the working party meeting in the past there was about 10 participant since others could not afford that.<br>
>> Multiplication if meetings and extension of their duration does not always have good results.<br>
>> We need good plan,good preparation and advance working document and establishment of priorities<br>
>> Kavousd<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Sent from my iPhone<br>
>><br>
>>> On 25 Dec 2015, at 01:41, Avri Doria <<a href="mailto:avri@acm.org">avri@acm.org</a>> wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>> Hi,<br>
>>><br>
>>> I think the intensive schedule is necessary and we will find a way if we<br>
>>> want to have any chance of succeeding with an IANA Transition in 2016.<br>
>>><br>
>>> I also think 3hr meetings are ok. We might even consider one or more<br>
>>> of those remote weekends of meetings when they do not interfere with<br>
>>> people's work.<br>
>>><br>
>>> avri<br>
>>><br>
>>>> On 24-Dec-15 06:58, Kavouss Arasteh wrote:<br>
>>>> Dear Mathieu<br>
>>>> Thank you for your suggestion<br>
>>>> As I told you at various occations, human being mental capacity should<br>
>>>> not be overloaded.<br>
>>>> I have participated in many conference calls since years.<br>
>>>> Any call which lasts more than two hours was totally inefficient<br>
>>>> Pls then reduce the duration to maximum two hours<br>
>>>> Regards<br>
>>>> Kavouss<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> 2015-12-24 12:25 GMT+01:00 James Gannon <<a href="mailto:james@cyberinvasion.net">james@cyberinvasion.net</a><br>
>>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:james@cyberinvasion.net">james@cyberinvasion.net</a>>>:<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> I don’t forsee anyone who is not being compensated for their work<br>
>>>> being able to dedicate 6 hours from a working week to this, I<br>
>>>> object to rushing things and designing schedules which are<br>
>>>> unrealistic IMO.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> -Jg<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> From: <<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org">accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a><br>
>>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org">accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a>>> on<br>
>>>> behalf of Mathieu Weill <<a href="mailto:mathieu.weill@afnic.fr">mathieu.weill@afnic.fr</a><br>
>>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:mathieu.weill@afnic.fr">mathieu.weill@afnic.fr</a>>><br>
>>>> Date: Thursday 24 December 2015 at 11:22 a.m.<br>
>>>> To: 'Accountability Cross Community'<br>
>>>> <<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a><br>
>>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a>>><br>
>>>> Subject: [CCWG-ACCT] Work plan in January<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Dear Colleagues,<br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> In line with the work plan discussion held on call #72, we wish to<br>
>>>> inform you that we have decided to increase the number of calls<br>
>>>> per week to two to allow for an in-depth analysis of the input<br>
>>>> received on our Draft Proposal, and discuss any complex requests<br>
>>>> for change there may be. It is currently foreseen that this<br>
>>>> frequency of calls will only apply to the month of January.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> As discussed on 22 December, these calls will be plenary and<br>
>>>> topic-based. You will receive a list of topics in advance of the<br>
>>>> meetings so that you may plan your participation accordingly.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Duration of the calls will also be extended to 3 hours to allow<br>
>>>> for ample time to complete our tasks. Calls will be cancelled<br>
>>>> (and/or duration will be reduced) if deemed unnecessary.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Please note that staff will send invites as well as overview of<br>
>>>> the conference call calendar shortly.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> We look forward to reconvening in January and wish you a happy<br>
>>>> holiday season for those of you who celebrate.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Best regards<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Mathieu – Thomas - León<br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
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