<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>Besides that ALAC members have not show to be reliable, I do not believe we can go that road, ie exclude participants from decision making. As much as I personally would like it.</div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="AppleMailSignature">The below quote means to me that if there is no or little dissent, that's that. But if there is so much dissent by members and/or participants that a determination needs to be made, only the members would be asked.</div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="AppleMailSignature">But, why are we discussing this? So far "they" were/was the Co-Chair(s).</div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="AppleMailSignature">el</div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br>-- <div>Sent from Dr Lisse's iPad mini</div></div><div><br>On 29 Dec 2015, at 23:32, Chartier, Mike S <<a href="mailto:mike.s.chartier@intel.com">mike.s.chartier@intel.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Got it<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Fine with me<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Alan Greenberg [<a href="mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca">mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, December 29, 2015 4:18 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Chartier, Mike S <<a href="mailto:mike.s.chartier@intel.com">mike.s.chartier@intel.com</a>>; <a href="mailto:avri@acm.org">avri@acm.org</a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [CCWG-ACCT] Work plan in January<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">I was using "vote" implying to determine a level of consensus. The critical part is that it is a process involving Members (but not participants).<br>
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Sent from my mobile. Please excuse brevity and typos.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On December 29, 2015 3:50:14 PM EST, "Chartier, Mike S" <<a href="mailto:mike.s.chartier@intel.com">mike.s.chartier@intel.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> Can you point out where the Charter gives voting rights to members? The relevant text below seems to say just the opposite.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<i><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">In developing its Proposal(s), work plan and any other reports, the CCWG-Accountability shall seek to act by consensus. Consensus calls should always make best efforts to involve
all members (the CCWG-Accountability or sub-working group). The Chair(s) shall be responsible for designating each position as having one of the following designations: <o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
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<i><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">a) Full Consensus - a position where no minority disagrees; identified by an absence of objection<o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
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<i><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">b) Consensus – a position where a small minority disagrees, but most agree <o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
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<i><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">In the absence of Full Consensus, the Chair(s) should allow for the submission of minority viewpoint(s) and these, along with the consensus view, shall be included in the report. <o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.0in"><i><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">In a rare case, the chair(s) may decide that the use of a poll is reasonable to assess the level of support for a recommendation. However,
</span></i><i><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:red">care should be taken in using polls that they do not become votes</span></i><i><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">, as there are often
disagreements about the meanings of the poll questions or of the poll results.</span></i><i><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Mike<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Alan Greenberg [<a href="mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca">mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, December 29, 2015 3:18 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Chartier, Mike S <<a href="mailto:mike.s.chartier@intel.com">mike.s.chartier@intel.com</a>>;
<a href="mailto:avri@acm.org">avri@acm.org</a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Work plan in January<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">I read the "they" as being the formally appointed CCWG Members, to whom the charter gives voting rights.<br>
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Alan <o:p></o:p></p>
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