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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>I’m sorry, Jorge. I read the entire GAC submission … and I still don’t see an answer to Milton’s question. I appreciate that you can’t go beyond what the GAC has said – but your purposeful ambiguity can’t be used at this point.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>When the GAC says that you expect changes in the mission to “not constrain the Board from accepting and implementing GAC advice” I read that exactly as Milton does – as saying that the GAC thinks that the Board should accept GAC advice even if that advice might take it beyond its mission (either purposefully or inadervtently).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>For the record, I think that suggestion is extremely dangerous as a matter of practice for the Board and also likely to result in rejection of the IANA transition by the NTIA. I think it is both manifest and self-evident that if GAC advice were to, hypothetically, be that the Board should engage in some activity that was beyond its mission (say capacity building or content censorship) then it would be appropriate and, indeed, mandatory, for the Board to reject that advice, precisely because it was to take action beyond the Mission.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Paul<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Paul Rosenzweig<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><a href="mailto:paul.rosenzweigesq@redbranchconsulting.com"><span style='color:#0563C1'>paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com</span></a> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>O: +1 (202) 547-0660<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>M: +1 (202) 329-9650<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>VOIP: +1 (202) 738-1739<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Skype: paul.rosenzweig1066<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-align:justify'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><a href="http://www.redbranchconsulting.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=19&Itemid=9"><span style='color:#0563C1'>Link to my PGP Key</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><a href="http://www.rsaconference.com/events/us16?utm_source=signature&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=speakers-us2016"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;text-decoration:none'><img border=0 width=578 height=87 id="Picture_x0020_7" src="cid:image001.png@01D14973.17DD49A0"></span></a><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch [mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch] <br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, January 7, 2016 1:57 PM<br><b>To:</b> kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com<br><b>Cc:</b> accountability-cross-community@icann.org<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Deck for Meeting #75 Mission Statement discussion<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Dear Kavouss<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>It wasn’t me who first proposed the question which was decided tob e further refined with the ICANN Legal. I was one of the supporters of that move. And what matters is that the CCWG had decided to move ahead with this.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Under that understanding the GAC included the first para I quoted: “<i>The GAC notes that legal advice is <u>being sought by the CCWG to clarify the<o:p></o:p></u></i></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><i><u><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>practical effect of this Recommendation, and believes this is appropriate</span></u></i><i><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>.</span></i><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>”<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>I feel the other elements in the GAC input (which you quote) could serve to formulate an appropriate legal question.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Perhaps the co-chairs would be willing to form a small group which, under their guidance, could formulate such a question, after receiving the feedback from ICANN Legal which was agreed to be requested.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Regards<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Jorge <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Von:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Kavouss Arasteh [<a href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com">mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</a>] <br><b>Gesendet:</b> Donnerstag, 7. Januar </span><span lang=DE style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>2016 19:46<br><b>An:</b> Cancio Jorge BAKOM <<a href="mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch">Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a>; Mathieu Weill <<a href="mailto:Mathieu.Weill@afnic.fr">Mathieu.Weill@afnic.fr</a>>; Thomas Rickert <<a href="mailto:rickert@anwaelte.de">rickert@anwaelte.de</a>>; Schneider Thomas BAKOM <<a href="mailto:Thomas.Schneider@bakom.admin.ch">Thomas.Schneider@bakom.admin.ch</a>>; León Felipe Sánchez Ambía <<a href="mailto:leonfelipe@sanchez.mx">leonfelipe@sanchez.mx</a>>; Burr, Becky <<a href="mailto:Becky.Burr@neustar.biz">Becky.Burr@neustar.biz</a>>; Jordan Carter <<a href="mailto:jordan@internetnz.net.nz">jordan@internetnz.net.nz</a>><br><b>Betreff:</b> Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Deck for Meeting #75 Mission Statement discussion<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=DE-CH><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=DE-CH>Yes Jorge, it did and thanks for clarification.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=DE-CH>But tell me hiow do you want that the matter beaddressed .<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=DE-CH>There are several provision in the ICANN Mission Staement, Nobady has asked that the legal Team ensure that those provisions would be fully implemented.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=DE-CH>Here is the GAC STATMENT<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=DE-CH><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=DE-CH>Quote <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><em><span lang=DE-CH style='color:#500050'>"The GAC expects that any changes will not reduce the current role of the GAC in providing advice on the activities of ICANN as they relate to concerns of governments, particularly matters where there may be an interaction between ICANN’s policies and various laws and international agreements or where they may affect public policy issues (as provided in the current ByLaws). This includes issues such as consumer protection, the respect for fundamental rights and freedoms and law enforcement." </span></em><i><span lang=DE-CH style='color:#500050'><br></span></i><span lang=DE-CH style='color:#500050'>Unquote<br>What do you expect from the lawyers to acertain.? How they can acertain ? what is the assurance that whatever they acertain will be im plemented ?</span><span lang=DE-CH><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=DE-CH style='color:#500050'>Unless you put some text in the BALAWS </span><span lang=DE-CH style='color:#222222'>which must be discussed and agreed by CCWG and put it to public comments </span><span lang=DE-CH style='color:#500050'><br>there is no legal certainty that the GAC statemnt be implemented <br>.</span><span lang=DE-CH><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=DE-CH style='color:#500050'>The second statemnet is </span><span lang=DE-CH><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=DE-CH style='color:#500050'>Quote<br><em> </em>"<em>The GAC further expects that changes to ICANN’s mission and core values should not constrain the Board from accepting and implementing GAC advice. In addition, ICANN’s ability to enforce contractual obligations and act upon the public policy advice of the GAC should not be inadvertently impacted."</em></span><span lang=DE-CH><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=DE-CH style='color:#500050'>Unquote</span><span lang=DE-CH><br>The same questions are also appicable <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=DE-CH>I do not see any possible means to further pursue the matter unless some language to that effect be included in the Byélas which must be discussed and agreed by CCWG and put it to public comments <br>Regards<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=DE-CH>Kavouss <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=DE-CH><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=DE-CH>2016-01-07 18:54 GMT+01:00 Andrew Sullivan <<a href="mailto:ajs@anvilwalrusden.com" target="_blank">ajs@anvilwalrusden.com</a>>:<o:p></o:p></span></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=DE-CH>On Thu, Jan 07, 2016 at 05:29:34PM +0000, Malcolm Hutty wrote:<br>> The trouble with your argument that we can just trust the Board to remain within the Mission when invited by the GAC to stray beyond it, without a mechanism to review their decisions, is that the same argument applies equally to the case of the Board acting inconsistently with the Bylaws in any other way, as it does to the specific case of the Board acting inconsistently with the Mission limitation.<br>><br><br>But I'm not making that argument (hence the tripartite response). But<br>re-reading my message, I certainly didn't make my point clear. All I<br>was trying to say was that, given the empowered community and the new<br>accountability and so on, the case where the board will decide to<br>wander out of its areas of responsibilty seems lower. And then, even<br>if it does, we have the other mechanisms in place.<br><br><span class=im>Best regards,</span><br><br><span class=im>A</span><br><span class=im>--</span><br><span class=im>Andrew Sullivan</span><br><span class=im><a href="mailto:ajs@anvilwalrusden.com">ajs@anvilwalrusden.com</a></span><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=DE-CH>_______________________________________________<br>Accountability-Cross-Community mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org">Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org</a><br><a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/accountability-cross-community" target="_blank">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/accountability-cross-community</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=DE-CH><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div></body></html>