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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org [mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Drazek, Keith<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, January 08, 2016 11:07 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Mueller, Milton L; Roelof Meijer; Jordan Carter; Alice Jansen<br>
<b>Cc:</b> accountability-cross-community@icann.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [CCWG-ACCT] DOCUMENT - Recommendation 1 Inspection Rights (first reading)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I agree with Jordan and Milton on this point.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I also agree with Roelof that there needs to be a balance of protections against “weird and irresponsible behavior” no matter where it comes from, but I don’t
see the inspection rights/transparency issue undermining that goal.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org">accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a> [<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org">mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Mueller, Milton L<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, January 08, 2016 10:42 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Roelof Meijer; Jordan Carter; Alice Jansen<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [CCWG-ACCT] DOCUMENT - Recommendation 1 Inspection Rights (first reading)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Roelof</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Inspection rights are not comparable to removal of a board member, or vetoing a budget, or other powers which could have immediate negative impact on the functions
of the corporation. It merely provides information. And while there are costs to complying with inspection requests, there are also costs, in terms of time and effort, to getting an AC or SO to request it. When it comes to transparency we need to tilt the
balance toward openness. I have trouble understanding this high threshold argument.
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<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org">accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a> [<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org">mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Roelof Meijer<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, January 8, 2016 10:29 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Jordan Carter <<a href="mailto:jordan@internetnz.net.nz">jordan@internetnz.net.nz</a>>; Alice Jansen <<a href="mailto:alice.jansen@icann.org">alice.jansen@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [CCWG-ACCT] DOCUMENT - Recommendation 1 Inspection Rights (first reading)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">We’re taking measures (forming powers and designing processes) to protect the internet community (and the “global public interest”) against all kinds of “weird
and irresponsible” behavior by the board and never accepted a “the board will never do this” or “this will never happen” as an argument to do nothing. Look at our stress tests…</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">So we should understand –and in fact accept and incorporate- that the board seeks to protect the community and the “global public interest’ against “weird and
irresponsible" behavior from parts of the community.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Your "</span>As a matter of practical effect, the requirement that an SO or AC agree the request will by itself prevent vexatious or over-frequent use. There is no chance of, say, the ccNSO
Council, randomly & inappropriately deciding to exercise such a right.” is an opinion, not a fact.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">My opinion is that, yes, there should be a significant threshold, there’s ample proof that parts of the community tend to micro manage ICANN<o:p></o:p></p>
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</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org">accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a>> on behalf of Jordan Carter <<a href="mailto:jordan@internetnz.net.nz">jordan@internetnz.net.nz</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>woensdag 6 januari 2016 17:47<br>
<b>To: </b>Alice Jansen <<a href="mailto:alice.jansen@icann.org">alice.jansen@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b>"<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [CCWG-ACCT] DOCUMENT - Recommendation 1 – Inspection Rights (first reading)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Just a quick note to say I much prefer the lawyers' proposed approach on inspection rights, and do not support the Board's proposal.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">As a matter of principle, the use of these rights is most likely to help inform a decision about using the other community powers. Using the same process as that
which applies to those community powers is overkill: this *should* be a simpler process.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">As a matter of practical effect, the requirement that an SO or AC agree the request will by itself prevent vexatious or over-frequent use. There is no chance
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">So since the practical fears the Board noted aren't really valid, and since there is wide agreement as far as I can tell about the importance of these rights,
in my opinion we should go with what our lawyers have suggested here, and be clear with the language in the next version of our document. That's the most workable and straight forward approach IMO.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">On 6 January 2016 at 15:53, Alice Jansen <<a href="mailto:alice.jansen@icann.org" target="_blank">alice.jansen@icann.org</a>> wrote:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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