<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default"><font face="verdana, sans-serif">I have to take issue with the formulation of the first question. The commitment* in paragraph 3 of the AoC to "</font><i style="font-family:'Avenir Next';color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:16px"><font color="#333333"><span style="line-height:22.4px">(c) promote competition, consumer trust, and consumer choice in the </span></font><abbr title="Domain Name System" style="color:rgb(51,51,51);direction:ltr;border-bottom-width:1px;border-bottom-style:dotted;border-bottom-color:rgb(153,153,153);line-height:22.4px">DNS</abbr><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);line-height:22.4px"> marketplace</span><font color="#333333"><span style="line-height:22px">…</span><span style="line-height:22.4px">.</span></font><font color="#333333"><span style="line-height:22px">”</span></font> </i><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><font face="verdana, sans-serif">is not "</font></span><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:'Avenir Next';font-size:12.8px;line-height:15.36px">an AoC provision specific to TLD expansion.</span><span style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0)">" Paragraph 9.3 may be "</span><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:'Avenir Next';font-size:12.8px;line-height:15.36px">an AoC provision specific to TLD expansion" </span><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);line-height:15.36px"><font face="verdana, sans-serif">but 9.3 is just a specific application of the more fundamental commitment in paragraph 3. So the contention that an expansion-specific provision is being "leveraged" is both incorrect and somewhat leading: if "leveraging" is a bad thing (and it seems to be used in a negative sense here, akin to "bootstrapping"), then who would answer yes?</font></span></div><div class="gmail_default"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);line-height:15.36px"><font face="verdana, sans-serif"><br></font></span></div><div class="gmail_default"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);line-height:15.36px"><font face="verdana, sans-serif">In any event, we should not be cherry-picking the AoC here. "Consumer trust" is an integral part of those commitments. We should not eviscerate this commitment. </font></span></div><div class="gmail_default"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);line-height:15.36px"><font face="verdana, sans-serif"><br></font></span></div><div class="gmail_default"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);line-height:15.36px"><font face="verdana, sans-serif">I concur with Bruce and Steve's emails regarding the attempts to raise definitional issues. Whether the EU, for its purposes and in different contexts, defines consumer differently is neither relevant nor problematic for ICANN's commitment here.</font></span></div><div class="gmail_default"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);line-height:15.36px"><font face="verdana, sans-serif"><br></font></span></div><div class="gmail_default"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);line-height:15.36px"><font face="verdana, sans-serif">Greg</font></span></div><div class="gmail_default"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);line-height:15.36px"><font face="verdana, sans-serif"><br></font></span></div><div class="gmail_default"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);line-height:15.36px"><font face="verdana, sans-serif">_____</font></span></div><div class="gmail_default"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);line-height:15.36px"><font face="verdana, sans-serif">* I certainly read this as a commitment, and not merely some sort of nebulous "goal". As such, I guess I do disagree with Becky's opinion on this (and also disagree that Becky's opinion is a fact (I often agree with Becky's opinions, which are well-informed and well-considered, but even the ones I agree with aren't facts.).)</font></span></div><div class="gmail_default"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);line-height:15.36px"><font face="verdana, sans-serif"><br></font></span></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Jan 10, 2016 at 10:07 AM, Steve DelBianco <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:sdelbianco@netchoice.org" target="_blank">sdelbianco@netchoice.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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Please see these working definitions of ‘Consumer' and 'Consumer Trust', from the 2012 Working Group that defined measures and metrics for the AoC Review of the 2012 gTLD expansion (<a href="http://gnso.icann.org/en/issues/cctc/cctc-final-advice-letter-31oct12-en.pdf" target="_blank"></a><a href="http://gnso.icann.org/en/issues/cctc/cctc-final-advice-letter-05dec12-en.pdf" target="_blank">link</a>
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<div><font face="Calibri,sans-serif"><b>Consumer</b> is defined as actual and potential Internet users and registrants.</font></div>
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<div><b>Consumer Trust</b> is defined as the confidence Consumers have in the domain name system. This includes </div>
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<div>(i) trust in the consistency of name resolution </div>
<div>(ii) confidence that a TLD registry operator is fulfilling the Registry’s stated purpose and is complying with ICANN policies and applicable national laws and </div>
<div>(iii) confidence in ICANN’s compliance function.</div>
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<div><b>Consumer Choice</b> is defined as the range of options available to Consumers for domain scripts and languages, and for TLDs that offer meaningful choices as to the proposed purpose and integrity of their domain name registrants.</div>
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<div><b>Competition</b> is defined as the quantity, diversity, and the potential for and actual market rivalry of TLDs, TLD registry operators, and registrars.</div>
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<div><font face="Calibri,sans-serif">That WG was created per a Dec-2010 Board resolution (<a href="http://www.icann.org/en/minutes/resolutions-10dec10-en.htm" target="_blank">link</a>) </font><font face="Calibri,sans-serif">requesting advice from the GNSO, ccNSO, ALAC and
GAC on establishing the definition, measures, and three-year targets for competition, consumer trust and consumer choice in the context of the DNS in preparation for the AoC required review of the 2012 gTLD expansion.</font></div>
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<div><font face="Calibri,sans-serif">The WG's final <a href="http://gnso.icann.org/en/issues/cctc/cctc-final-advice-letter-05dec12-en.pdf" target="_blank">report</a> was adopted by its chartering organizations, GNSO and ALAC, with ALAC adding several additional measures. </font></div>
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<div><font face="Calibri,sans-serif">I</font><font face="Calibri,sans-serif"> believe these definitions are appropriate and workable for purposes of reviewing ICANN’s remit in expanding the gLTD space. They aren’t universal definitions to apply for everything
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<span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span><<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a>> on behalf of Nigel Roberts <<a href="mailto:nigel@channelisles.net" target="_blank">nigel@channelisles.net</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Saturday, January 9, 2016 at 3:32 PM<br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span>"<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org" target="_blank">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org" target="_blank">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a>><span class=""><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>Re: [CCWG-ACCT] "Consumer Trust" in the Mission Statement<br>
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<div>"Furthermore,under EU law, the notion of consumer does not extend to </div>
<div>legal persons, even if they have a non-business character (e.g. </div>
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<div>On 01/09/2016 10:30 PM, Nigel Roberts wrote:</div>
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<div>The definition of 'consumer' in this is problematic.</div>
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<div>In EU legislation it generally excludes businesses. A common</div>
<div>understanding would be a 'natural person acting outside the scope of an</div>
<div>economic activity'.</div>
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<div>On 01/09/2016 09:56 PM, Bruce Tonkin wrote:</div>
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<div>Hello Malcolm,</div>
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<div>Even if rephrased, I don't think I understand what is intended to be</div>
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<div>It is a general term like human rights and public interest.</div>
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<div>I think the key is that it needs to be grounded in what it means for</div>
<div>ICANN's limited mission.</div>
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<div>If we are talking about domain names it could be that:</div>
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<div>- a domain name resolves deterministically to a particular resource</div>
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<div>- there is a legal person that can be contacted when there is a</div>
<div>problem with the operation of the domain name</div>
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<div>(the collection and publication of contact information was intended to</div>
<div>help with that)</div>
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<div>What it should not be in my personal view:</div>
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<div>- anything to do with the content of a website that might be referred</div>
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<div>- anything to do with the characteristics of a legal person associated</div>
<div>with a domain name that might be inferred from the name</div>
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<div>Regards,</div>
<div>Bruce Tonkin</div>
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