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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link="#0563C1" vlink="#954F72"><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>H</span>ello all,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>The notes, recordings and transcripts for CCWG ACCT Co-Chairs and Lawyers (8 January) will be available here: <span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:#0070C0'>https://community.icann.org/x/15dlAw</span><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal>A copy of the notes may be found below.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Thank you<span style='color:#1F497D'>.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Kind regards,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Brenda<o:p></o:p></p><div style='border:none;border-bottom:solid windowtext 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 1.0pt 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:7.5pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-line-height-alt:9.5pt;background:white'><strong><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'>Notes</span></strong><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:7.5pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-line-height-alt:9.5pt;background:white;orphans: auto;text-align:start;widows: 1;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing:0px'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'>These high-level notes are designed to help you navigate through content of the call and do not substitute in any way the transcript.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='orphans: auto;text-align:start;widows: 1;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing:0px'><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:7.5pt;mso-line-height-alt:9.5pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'> HJGregory - reasoning for call - at this critical time in the project want to discuss if the team could be more useful to the process. Concerns regarding the edition of documents since their comments are not being included. Also need greater clarity about which of our comments get posted. Uncomfortable with the certification requirements but this should not apply to the drafting of documents. We would also expect to understand what is expected for implementation so we can reserve the resources accordingly. Finally need guidance on Marrakech given participation by phone would not be practical.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:7.5pt;mso-line-height-alt:9.5pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'> MWeill - Thank you for your directness. Looking at your questions. On integrating comments - the timeframe did not allow us to work with smaller comments. The co-chairs initially focused on any major comments.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:7.5pt;mso-line-height-alt:9.5pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'> TRickert - we are going through different phases. Making too many changes in any version of the document would cause concern to the community. Going into details too much can distract people from focusing on the major issues. So a balance must found between what legal and staff can do.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:7.5pt;mso-line-height-alt:9.5pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'> HJGregory - we understand you concerns but wanted to ensure that our concerns were clear. This being said we would recommend posting our comments to the entire group and that the group is our client. Often we are not involved on an issue does not mean we have opined in any fashion. There may be a misconception on the level of comments from the lawyers wrt the 3rd draft.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:7.5pt;mso-line-height-alt:9.5pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'> MWeill - we are editing the 3rd version currently - we have to consider your input more up front. But we have to find a way to make this efficient for everyone. Given we are working on recommendation by recommendation we could ask for legal comments on a per recommendation which has had a first reading.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:7.5pt;mso-line-height-alt:9.5pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'> HJGregory - this sounds like a good idea, but the answer to dealing with lawyer comments is not to ignore them.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:7.5pt;mso-line-height-alt:9.5pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'> TRickert - We agree with you but we have been working to incredibly tight schedules.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:7.5pt;mso-line-height-alt:9.5pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'> RMFrei - we need to understand why our comments are taken or not.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:7.5pt;mso-line-height-alt:9.5pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'> TRickert - Understand but the new interactive approach should handle this issue. Documents that go out after the first reading will include all the lawyer comments. We should also document which comments are accepted or not.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:7.5pt;mso-line-height-alt:9.5pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'> HJGregory - this sounds acceptable.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:7.5pt;mso-line-height-alt:9.5pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'> MWeill - next implementation<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:7.5pt;mso-line-height-alt:9.5pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'> HJGregory - support using the details to implementation. At some point the implementation cannot be made by the full CCWG. Also understand the cost implications for ICANN. As such implementation should not be with done with the full group.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:7.5pt;mso-line-height-alt:9.5pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'> MWeill - was not the strategy of oversight groups for implementation not ok.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:7.5pt;mso-line-height-alt:9.5pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'> HJGregory - concern that using the same group of people for oversight and uncertain they can get above trying to line edit vs checking for consistency.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:7.5pt;mso-line-height-alt:9.5pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'> MWeill - Understand that this is a challenge and there is no way around it. This is in part because of community experience with other implementation exercises having generated unexpected results.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:7.5pt;mso-line-height-alt:9.5pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'> HJGregory - Would encourage the co-chairs to help the oversight participants that the process is going to be different - it will not be interactive drafting - lawyers will draft the documents and the oversight will group can comment on if it matches the guidelines. We will get there. Implementation needs to be a different process.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:7.5pt;mso-line-height-alt:9.5pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'>TRicket - Implementation is about ensuring that the group's wishes and the work product. But understand we have to streamline to make it efficient.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:7.5pt;mso-line-height-alt:9.5pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'>HJGregory - Marrakesh - we have real concerns that we can be effective via the telephone. Understands it depends on what the requirements are given where we are.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:7.5pt;mso-line-height-alt:9.5pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'>MWeill - currently expecting ICANN55 to scope WS2 and would not expect lawyers would be required for this. There would also implementation work on WS1. So we do not expect the draft Bylaws will be ready for ICANN 55.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:7.5pt;mso-line-height-alt:9.5pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'>HJGregory - one approach could be for us to book refundable airline tickets and as time progresses we can decide if we are needed. As such we should make reservations which can be cancelled.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:7.5pt;mso-line-height-alt:9.5pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'>MWeill - the IRP skill set would be needed in Marrakesh - but we would expect that the total number of lawyers on the ground would be less than previously.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:7.5pt;mso-line-height-alt:9.5pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'>RMFei - I will probably sit this one out if the focus will be IRP. So I will wait to figure this out.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:7.5pt;mso-line-height-alt:9.5pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'>HJGregory - what could we be doing to help you more.? please let us know.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:7.5pt;mso-line-height-alt:9.5pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'>TRickert - thanks for the offer we will need to think about it some more. Things are moving quite a bit, commenting ad hoc on every suggestion that is circulated. After the first reading we publish this to the list and lawyer comments would be best there.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:7.5pt;mso-line-height-alt:9.5pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'>HJGregory - agree with this.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:7.5pt;mso-line-height-alt:9.5pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'>HJGregory - maybe the first step should be to reach out to Jones Day to understand their risk analysis of this.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:7.5pt;mso-line-height-alt:9.5pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'>RMFrei - also not everything is black and white - there are some judgement call.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:7.5pt;mso-line-height-alt:9.5pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'>TR and MW - in case lawyers have concerns about provisions that currently exist in the Bylaws, and may not be within the CCWG remit, they should discuss with JD first. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:7.5pt;mso-line-height-alt:9.5pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'>RMFrei - on current process for reviewing changes to recs.?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:7.5pt;mso-line-height-alt:9.5pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'>HJGregory - we should review materials from scratch?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:7.5pt;mso-line-height-alt:9.5pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'>TRickert - the lawyers would share their high level comments on each recommendation / agenda item after 1<sup>st</sup> reading, then provide detailed feedback after 2<sup>nd</sup> reading . best to get your input after the first reading where you can insert your comments. Acceptable? <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:7.5pt;mso-line-height-alt:9.5pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'>HJGregory - yes.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:7.5pt;mso-line-height-alt:9.5pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'>TRickert - certification of human rights question. The reason it makes sense to certify this because ICANN believes it is opening significant risk. Need to understand vs current risks.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:7.5pt;mso-line-height-alt:9.5pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'>HJGregory - need to understand what you mean by human rights.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:7.5pt;mso-line-height-alt:9.5pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'>HJGregory - this is it for us.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:7.5pt;mso-line-height-alt:9.5pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'>Conclusion of the call.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></body></html>