<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">That is my understanding Niels.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div class="">
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<br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">El 12/01/2016, a las 12:46 a.m., Niels ten Oever <<a href="mailto:lists@nielstenoever.net" class="">lists@nielstenoever.net</a>> escribió:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><br class=""><fieldset style="padding-top:10px; border:0px; border: 3px solid #CCC; padding-left: 20px;" class=""><legend style="font-weight:bold" class="">Firmado parte de PGP</legend><div style="padding-left:3px;" class="">Thanks for this Thomas.,<br class=""><br class="">So if I understand you correctly the lawyers said that people _might_<br class="">sue ICANN (not sure on which this is based, did the lawyers substantiate<br class="">this?), but the additon of human rights would not increase the chance<br class="">that they would win the case, am I correct?<br class=""><br class="">Best,<br class=""><br class="">Niels<br class=""><br class="">On 01/12/2016 06:46 AM, Thomas Rickert wrote:<br class="">> Dear Niels, all,<br class="">> While written feedback from our lawyers is pending, they have<br class="">indicated to us that they do not see additional risks. However, it is<br class="">possible that the mere mentioning of HR is perceived as an invitation to<br class="">raise claims against the organization, against which ICANN might need to<br class="">defend itself.<br class="">><br class="">> We should have our discussion in the light of this scenario.<br class="">><br class="">> Best,<br class="">> Thomas<br class="">><br class="">> ---<br class="">> <a href="http://rickert.net" class="">rickert.net</a> <<a href="http://rickert.net" class="">http://rickert.net</a>><br class="">><br class="">><br class="">> Am 11.01.2016 um 22:57 schrieb Niels ten Oever<br class=""><<a href="mailto:lists@nielstenoever.net" class="">lists@nielstenoever.net</a> <<a href="mailto:lists@nielstenoever.net" class="">mailto:lists@nielstenoever.net</a>>>:<br class="">><br class="">>><br class="">> Dear co-chairs,<br class="">><br class="">> Thanks a lot for this. Nonetheless there are some issues with the<br class="">document you attached to your email:<br class="">><br class="">> 0. Did we already hear back from the lawyers on the folllwing questions:<br class="">><br class="">> [quote]<br class="">> In their comment to the 3rd CCWG draft report the ICANN Board has<br class="">> raised concerns that the proposed inclusion of language in the bylaws<br class="">> with respect to human rights might lead to an increased risk of ICANN<br class="">> being exposed to legal claims or even law suits.<br class="">><br class="">> We would appreciate if you could provide us with a brief assessment<br class="">> whether the inclusion of these bylaws would increase the risk of ICANN<br class="">> being exposed to legal claims or even law suits vis a vis the current<br class="">> situation (taking into account the existing obligations under article<br class="">> 4 of ICANNs articles of incorporation), and if so, how such risk could<br class="">> be mitigated.<br class="">><br class="">> [/quote]<br class="">><br class="">> If not, I am not sure how useful it is to have this discussion now.<br class="">Unless we're having the discussion on the basis of the premisse that the<br class="">lawyers had already checked the text before we submitted it for comment<br class="">and we thus can conclude that the risks that are implied by the board<br class="">are not realistic.<br class="">><br class="">> 1. Concerning 2a - Why is the GPI discussion conflated with the human<br class="">rights discussion? I don't think it will help solve either of the issues.<br class="">><br class="">> 2. Concerning 2b - I think 'defer' is meant here?<br class="">><br class="">> Looking forward to the discussion in a few hours.<br class="">><br class="">> Best,<br class="">><br class="">> Niels<br class="">><br class="">><br class="">> On 01/11/2016 05:01 PM, Alice Jansen wrote:<br class="">> > _Sent on behalf of CCWG-ACCT<br class="">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span> Co-Chairs_<br class="">><br class="">><br class="">><br class="">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span> > In preparation for your R/ecommendation 6 – Human Rights<br class="">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span> (first reading)/ discussion scheduled for your call #76 - Tuesday,<br class="">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span> 12 January 2016 (06:00 – 09:00 UTC) - please find attached the<br class="">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span> material to review.<br class="">><br class="">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span> > Please use this email thread to circulate any comments you<br class="">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span> may have in advance of the call.<br class="">><br class="">><br class="">><br class="">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span> > Thank you<br class="">><br class="">><br class="">><br class="">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span> > Mathieu, Thomas, León<br class="">><br class="">><br class="">><br class="">><br class="">><br class="">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span> > _______________________________________________<br class="">><br class="">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span> > Accountability-Cross-Community mailing list<br class="">><br class="">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span> > <a href="mailto:Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org" class="">Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org</a><br class="">><br class="">><br class="">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span> <a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/accountability-cross-community" class="">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/accountability-cross-community</a><br class="">><br class="">>><br class="">>> _______________________________________________<br class="">>> Accountability-Cross-Community mailing list<br class="">>> <a href="mailto:Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org" class="">Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org</a><br class=""><<a href="mailto:Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org" class="">mailto:Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org</a>><br class="">>> <a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/accountability-cross-community" class="">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/accountability-cross-community</a><br class=""><br class="">--<br class="">Niels ten Oever<br class="">Head of Digital<br class=""><br class="">Article 19<br class=""><a href="http://www.article19.org" class="">www.article19.org</a><br class=""><br class="">PGP fingerprint<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span> 8D9F C567 BEE4 A431 56C4<br class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span> 678B 08B5 A0F2 636D 68E9</div></fieldset><br class=""><br class="">_______________________________________________<br class="">Accountability-Cross-Community mailing list<br class=""><a href="mailto:Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org" class="">Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org</a><br class="">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/accountability-cross-community<br class=""></div></blockquote></div><br class=""></div></body></html>