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Thanks for this Thomas.,<br>
<br>
So if I understand you correctly the lawyers said that people
_might_ sue ICANN (not sure on which this is based, did the lawyers
substantiate this?), but the additon of human rights would not
increase the chance that they would win the case, am I correct?<br>
<br>
Best,<br>
<br>
Niels<br>
<br>
On 01/12/2016 06:46 AM, Thomas Rickert wrote:<br>
<span style="white-space: pre;">> Dear Niels, all,<br>
> While written feedback from our lawyers is pending, they have
indicated to us that they do not see additional risks. However, it
is possible that the mere mentioning of HR is perceived as an
invitation to raise claims against the organization, against which
ICANN might need to defend itself.<br>
><br>
> We should have our discussion in the light of this scenario.<br>
><br>
> Best,<br>
> Thomas <br>
><br>
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><br>
> Am 11.01.2016 um 22:57 schrieb Niels ten Oever
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<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:lists@nielstenoever.net"><mailto:lists@nielstenoever.net></a>>:<br>
><br>
>><br>
> Dear co-chairs,<br>
><br>
> Thanks a lot for this. Nonetheless there are some issues with
the document you attached to your email:<br>
><br>
> 0. Did we already hear back from the lawyers on the folllwing
questions:<br>
><br>
> [quote]<br>
> In their comment to the 3rd CCWG draft report the ICANN Board
has<br>
> raised concerns that the proposed inclusion of language in
the bylaws<br>
> with respect to human rights might lead to an increased risk
of ICANN<br>
> being exposed to legal claims or even law suits.<br>
><br>
> We would appreciate if you could provide us with a brief
assessment<br>
> whether the inclusion of these bylaws would increase the risk
of ICANN<br>
> being exposed to legal claims or even law suits vis a vis the
current<br>
> situation (taking into account the existing obligations under
article<br>
> 4 of ICANNs articles of incorporation), and if so, how such
risk could<br>
> be mitigated.<br>
><br>
> [/quote]<br>
><br>
> If not, I am not sure how useful it is to have this
discussion now. Unless we're having the discussion on the basis of
the premisse that the lawyers had already checked the text before
we submitted it for comment and we thus can conclude that the
risks that are implied by the board are not realistic.<br>
><br>
> 1. Concerning 2a - Why is the GPI discussion conflated with
the human rights discussion? I don't think it will help solve
either of the issues.<br>
><br>
> 2. Concerning 2b - I think 'defer' is meant here?<br>
><br>
> Looking forward to the discussion in a few hours.<br>
><br>
> Best,<br>
><br>
> Niels<br>
><br>
><br>
> On 01/11/2016 05:01 PM, Alice Jansen wrote:<br>
> > _Sent on behalf of CCWG-ACCT<br>
> Co-Chairs_<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> > In preparation for your R/ecommendation 6 – Human
Rights<br>
> (first reading)/ discussion scheduled for your call #76
- Tuesday,<br>
> 12 January 2016 (06:00 – 09:00 UTC) - please find
attached the<br>
> material to review.<br>
><br>
> > Please use this email thread to circulate any
comments you<br>
> may have in advance of the call.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> > Thank you<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> > Mathieu, Thomas, León<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
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