<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Becky, I agree that we have a disagreement. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">If we kick this to WS2, I think we need to keep Section 3 of the AoC alive until the issue is resolved. We can't just sunset Section 3 on the premise that some of us think it didn't really do anything anyway.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Andrew, I don't think we have a disagreement on the point you raise. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">The "DNS marketplace" is the term that's used in the AoC, so I assume there is background and history to show how that is viewed in this context. So, it's not a plain-language meaning we are looking for, it is a fit-for-purpose definition. As such I don't think what you're describing is part of the "DNS marketplace" for purposes of the AoC. So I don't think we far apart, in this regard.<br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Greg</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 4:25 PM, Andrew Sullivan <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ajs@anvilwalrusden.com" target="_blank">ajs@anvilwalrusden.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class="">On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 03:47:06PM -0500, Greg Shatan wrote:<br>
><br>
> Section 3 is not unbounded. It is limited to the "DNS marketplace."<br>
<br>
</span>Ok. Please tell me, what is that marketplace?<br>
<br>
My employer (Dyn), for instance, sells DNS services to companies. We<br>
have many competitors. Dyn has been at this for about 15 years. For<br>
a significant chunk of that time, Dyn wasn't even a registrar (which<br>
Dyn only does for convenience, really -- it's not our main market).<br>
In any case, many of our customers use someone else for domain name<br>
registration and just use us for DNS. Indeed, for part of Dyn's<br>
history you couldn't do any domain name registration in any TLD with<br>
Dyn; instead, you registered a hostname under (say) <a href="http://dyndns.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">dyndns.org</a> and Dyn<br>
hooked up your dynamically-assigned IP to the DNS with a 5 minute TTL<br>
so that you could access your machine at home or wherever. Other<br>
companies are in this business too, through today.<br>
<br>
Under any plain-language meaning of the terms, those behaviours seem<br>
to be part of the DNS marketplace. But I claim ICANN has absolutely<br>
no business, of any kind, in that marketplace, and if you're going to<br>
argue that it does then I think we have a very deep disagreement about<br>
where ICANN's responsibilities begin and end. If we're this far apart<br>
on that fundamental question, then I think we have a practical problem<br>
of hammering out the answer. For practical reasons, I think, we<br>
therefore need to kick the question to WS 2 and use the minimal<br>
interpretation that is compatible with everyone's interpretation.<br>
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Best regards,<br>
<br>
A<br>
<br>
--<br>
Andrew Sullivan<br>
<a href="mailto:ajs@anvilwalrusden.com">ajs@anvilwalrusden.com</a><br>
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