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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I would note that nature of ccTLDs and the concept of ICANN deciding what the (for example) .uk DNS market place is and how it should
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org [mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Dr Eberhard W Lisse<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 14 January 2016 13:50<br>
<b>To:</b> CCWG Accountability <accountability-cross-community@icann.org><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Lisse Eberhard <directors@omadhina.NET><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [CCWG-ACCT] "Christmas trees" and "Consumer Trust" in Article 1 of the Bylaws<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">ICANN's role is restricted to the ccNSO and therein to keeping the root database and the whois database up to date.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Sent from Dr Lisse's iPad mini<o:p></o:p></p>
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On 14 Jan 2016, at 00:16, Burr, Becky <<a href="mailto:Becky.Burr@neustar.biz">Becky.Burr@neustar.biz</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Are ccTLDs part of the DNS marketplace?? Why not?<o:p></o:p></p>
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</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Greg Shatan <<a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Wednesday, January 13, 2016 at 4:40 PM<br>
<b>To: </b>Andrew Sullivan <<a href="mailto:ajs@anvilwalrusden.com">ajs@anvilwalrusden.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b>Accountability Community <<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [CCWG-ACCT] "Christmas trees" and "Consumer Trust" in Article 1 of the Bylaws<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">If we kick this to WS2, I think we need to keep Section 3 of the AoC alive until the issue is resolved. We can't just sunset Section 3 on the premise that some of us think it didn't really
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">The "DNS marketplace" is the term that's used in the AoC, so I assume there is background and history to show how that is viewed in this context. So, it's not a plain-language meaning we are
looking for, it is a fit-for-purpose definition. As such I don't think what you're describing is part of the "DNS marketplace" for purposes of the AoC. So I don't think we far apart, in this regard.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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> Section 3 is not unbounded. It is limited to the "DNS marketplace."<br>
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Ok. Please tell me, what is that marketplace?<br>
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My employer (Dyn), for instance, sells DNS services to companies. We<br>
have many competitors. Dyn has been at this for about 15 years. For<br>
a significant chunk of that time, Dyn wasn't even a registrar (which<br>
Dyn only does for convenience, really -- it's not our main market).<br>
In any case, many of our customers use someone else for domain name<br>
registration and just use us for DNS. Indeed, for part of Dyn's<br>
history you couldn't do any domain name registration in any TLD with<br>
Dyn; instead, you registered a hostname under (say) <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__dyndns.org&d=CwMFaQ&c=MOptNlVtIETeDALC_lULrw&r=62cJFOifzm6X_GRlaq8Mo8TjDmrxdYahOP8WDDkMr4k&m=U8JV-pppuzL5by4GRAsK2KjEfJrLbZS2ptPd2Qo1-4k&s=lEzrTKYYWp8A9RNxS462xsQZBDg03K_47Jm2Q4Azs4A&e=" target="_blank">
dyndns.org</a> and Dyn<br>
hooked up your dynamically-assigned IP to the DNS with a 5 minute TTL<br>
so that you could access your machine at home or wherever. Other<br>
companies are in this business too, through today.<br>
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Under any plain-language meaning of the terms, those behaviours seem<br>
to be part of the DNS marketplace. But I claim ICANN has absolutely<br>
no business, of any kind, in that marketplace, and if you're going to<br>
argue that it does then I think we have a very deep disagreement about<br>
where ICANN's responsibilities begin and end. If we're this far apart<br>
on that fundamental question, then I think we have a practical problem<br>
of hammering out the answer. For practical reasons, I think, we<br>
therefore need to kick the question to WS 2 and use the minimal<br>
interpretation that is compatible with everyone's interpretation.<br>
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