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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 18/01/2016 20:00, Robin Gross wrote:<br>
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I agree that we need to remove the “every effort” language, which
is indeed a loophole.. A rationale should be provided by the AC.
Period. Next issue.
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style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">That
recommendation ("every effort") is inadequate and
frankly, bizarre. Under what circumstances could an
AC make "every effort" and still fail to provide a
rationale? If an AC makes "every effort" to develop a
rationale and still fails, what does that tell us
about the recommendation? That no rational support
can be found for it? That the AC can agree on the
result but not the rationale? That the AC would
rather not state the rationale?</div>
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style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">For those who
say that the GAC already offers rationales for their
recommendations -- if those rationales were considered
satisfactory, this issue would not have been raised in
the first place. If necessary, we can go back to
specific items of advice, and the rationales or lack
thereof; but I don't know that we have the time to
engage in such an exercise. For one, I recall that in
the .africa IRP concerns were raised about the lack of
a sufficiently-stated rationale. If the GAC is
looking for greater parity with GNSO PDP policy
recommendations, the documentation accompanying those
recommendations should serve as a guide.</div>
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style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">It is
heartening to hear that the GAC is already working on
improving their communication the rationales for their
advice. As such, we all seem to be moving in the same
direction.</div>
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style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">With that in
mind, there should be no real issue with removing the
squishy "every effort" loophole and stating an
unqualified requirement for a rationale for all AC
advice.</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 11:17
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<div class="">Mathieu — Regarding formal advice
from any Advisory Committee (AC), many
commenters reiterated that a rationale should
be a
<u class="">requirement</u> for advice to be
considered by the board. (BC, NPOC, Google,
USCIB, RySG, Valideus, the US Chamber, RrSG,
NCUC, I2C, Intel, IPC)</div>
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<div class="">It’s not enough to require that
each AC "will make every effort”. </div>
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<span style="font-weight:bold" class="">Date:
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<span style="font-weight:bold" class="">To: </span>Greg
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<span style="font-weight:bold" class="">Subject:
</span>Re: [CCWG-ACCT] DOCUMENT - Rec 11 - GAC
Advice (first reading)<br class="">
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class="" lang="EN-US">Mike,
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class="" lang="EN-US">Good catch
indeed. Precisely the point of our
first reading exercise.
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class="" lang="EN-US">So we will add
this to recommendation 11 agenda
item tomorrow.
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class="" lang="EN-US">I will note
that the current annex includes a
related recommendation :
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class="" lang="EN-US">Insert a
mention for all ACs: “The AC will
make every effort to ensure that the
advice provided is clear and
supported by a rationale.”</span></p>
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<b class="">De la part de</b> Greg
Shatan<span class=""><br class="">
<b class="">Envoyé :</b> lundi 18
janvier 2016 05:30<br class="">
<b class="">À :</b> Chartier, Mike S<br
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</span><b class="">Objet :</b> Re:
[CCWG-ACCT] DOCUMENT - Rec 11 - GAC
Advice (first reading)</span></p>
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class="">Good point and good
catch. This should not have
been overlooked.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Sun, Jan 17,
2016 at 9:52 PM, Chartier, Mike S
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lang="EN-US">I think this is
another illustration of how
we need to be careful in
documenting the process for
handling comments (other
than the Boards). For
Recommendation 11 several
commenters offered the
proposal to add a
requirement for GAC advice
to be accompanied by a
rationale. Given the general
acceptance of proposals for
rationales in other areas, I
would have thought it would
have at least been given a
note in the prep document.</span></p>
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lang="EN-US">Look forward to
discussing on Tues.</span></p>
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11 – GAC
Advice (first
reading)</i> discussion
scheduled for
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Tuesday, 19
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find attached
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