<div dir="ltr"><div>Dear All,</div><div>The rationale behind the removal of the individual Board's member was first suggested by Board and agreed provisionally ,if not definitively by CCWG.</div><div><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt"><span lang="EN-US"><font color="#000000" face="Calibri" size="3">Is it not a
rishk to start a new rounds of exchange of views on nationales which may be not easy to draft and agree upfront fior all
powers?</font></span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt"><font color="#000000" face="Calibri" size="3">regards</font></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt"><font color="#000000" face="Calibri" size="3">kavouss</font></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2016-01-18 11:21 GMT+01:00 Kavouss Arasteh <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com" target="_blank">kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Nigel+1<br>
<span class="im HOEnZb">Kavouss<br>
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</span><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5">> On 18 Jan 2016, at 10:42, Nigel Roberts <<a href="mailto:nigel@channelisles.net">nigel@channelisles.net</a>> wrote:<br>
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> Folks<br>
><br>
> I disagree.<br>
><br>
> Unless there are objective standards set for such removal, then the requirement of a provision of a rationale opens up the Corporation for unlimited litigation based on whether the rationale provided was a good reason for removal.<br>
><br>
> The ONLY objective rationale for removal is that "X% of those entitled to vote in the matter have voted for removal".<br>
><br>
> You will not, obviously, achieve X% unless a convincing reason is put.<br>
><br>
> But a convincing reason can, quite reasonably be that "we (the SO, for example) do not like his/her performance on the Board"<br>
><br>
> The requirement for justifying a petition is just a way to make it harder for those seeking to exercise the power.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
>> On 01/18/2016 08:46 AM, Chartier, Mike S wrote:<br>
>> Sure.<br>
>><br>
>> For instance with regard to removal of individual Board members, our<br>
>> third proposal required a rationale to be provided before the Community<br>
>> conference. In our call #74 it was proposed to include a rationale even<br>
>> earlier in the process at the petition phase.<br>
>><br>
>> It seems to be a good idea that when there is some action proposed, that<br>
>> a reason is given for why the action is needed.<br>
>><br>
>> *From:*Kavouss Arasteh [mailto:<a href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com">kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</a>]<br>
>> *Sent:* Monday, January 18, 2016 3:16 AM<br>
>> *To:* Mathieu Weill <<a href="mailto:mathieu.weill@afnic.fr">mathieu.weill@afnic.fr</a>><br>
>> *Cc:* Greg Shatan <<a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>>; Chartier, Mike S<br>
>> <<a href="mailto:mike.s.chartier@intel.com">mike.s.chartier@intel.com</a>>; <a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a><br>
>> *Subject:* Re: [CCWG-ACCT] DOCUMENT - Rec 11 - GAC Advice (first reading)<br>
>><br>
>> Dear All,<br>
>><br>
>> Thank you for your message and reminders,<br>
>><br>
>> May I ask you to kindly give atleast few example of any of those "<br>
>> Rationale"<br>
>><br>
>> Tks<br>
>><br>
>> Kavouss<br>
>><br>
>> 2016-01-18 9:10 GMT+01:00 Mathieu Weill <<a href="mailto:mathieu.weill@afnic.fr">mathieu.weill@afnic.fr</a><br>
>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:mathieu.weill@afnic.fr">mathieu.weill@afnic.fr</a>>>:<br>
>><br>
>> Mike,<br>
>><br>
>> Good catch indeed. Precisely the point of our first reading exercise.<br>
>><br>
>> So we will add this to recommendation 11 agenda item tomorrow.<br>
>><br>
>> I will note that the current annex includes a related recommendation :<br>
>><br>
>> ·Insert a mention for all ACs: “The AC will make every effort to<br>
>> ensure that the advice provided is clear and supported by a rationale.”<br>
>><br>
>> Best,<br>
>><br>
>> Mathieu<br>
>><br>
>> *De :*<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org">accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a><br>
>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org">accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a>><br>
>> [mailto:<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org">accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a><br>
>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org">accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a>>] *De la<br>
>> part de* Greg Shatan<br>
>> *Envoyé :* lundi 18 janvier 2016 05:30<br>
>> *À :* Chartier, Mike S<br>
>> *Cc :* <a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a><br>
>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a>><br>
>> *Objet :* Re: [CCWG-ACCT] DOCUMENT - Rec 11 - GAC Advice (first reading)<br>
>><br>
>> Mike,<br>
>><br>
>> Good point and good catch. This should not have been overlooked.<br>
>><br>
>> Greg<br>
>><br>
>> On Sun, Jan 17, 2016 at 9:52 PM, Chartier, Mike S<br>
>> <<a href="mailto:mike.s.chartier@intel.com">mike.s.chartier@intel.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:mike.s.chartier@intel.com">mike.s.chartier@intel.com</a>>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> I think this is another illustration of how we need to be careful in<br>
>> documenting the process for handling comments (other than the<br>
>> Boards). For Recommendation 11 several commenters offered the<br>
>> proposal to add a requirement for GAC advice to be accompanied by a<br>
>> rationale. Given the general acceptance of proposals for rationales<br>
>> in other areas, I would have thought it would have at least been<br>
>> given a note in the prep document.<br>
>><br>
>> Look forward to discussing on Tues.<br>
>><br>
>> *From:*<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org">accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a><br>
>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org">accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a>><br>
>> [mailto:<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org">accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a><br>
>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org">accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a>>] *On<br>
>> Behalf Of *Alice Jansen<br>
>> *Sent:* Friday, January 15, 2016 12:01 PM<br>
>> *To:* <a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a><br>
>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a>><br>
>> *Subject:* [CCWG-ACCT] DOCUMENT - Rec 11 - GAC Advice (first reading)<br>
>><br>
>> _Sent on behalf of CCWG-ACCT Co-Chairs_<br>
>><br>
>> In preparation for your R/ecommendation 11 – GAC Advice (first<br>
>> reading)/ discussion scheduled for your call #78 - Tuesday, 19<br>
>> January 2016 (12:00 – 15:00 UTC) - please find attached the material<br>
>> to review.<br>
>><br>
>> Please use this email thread to circulate any comments you may have<br>
>> in advance of the call.<br>
>><br>
>> Thank you<br>
>><br>
>> Mathieu, Thomas, León<br>
>><br>
>><br>
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